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I talked to Thom Powell about Shady Neighbors rock grave after I found a similar cairn in the lahar on the East Flank of Mt St Helens. He was involved in the grave incident to some extent but I cannot remember how. He either was told the story by someone he knows or was involved more directly. He did confirm that most of the things related in the book about that event did happen including the spirit visits at night. There is a good reason for his interest in the paranormal. He has taken a lot of heat for his last books from the BF community. The big ape crowd do not like paranormal. As I have mentioned before, when I was examining the cairn I felt like I was being watched. I do not know if that was real or if I was paranoid since I was off trail in the Mt St Helens Monument. I think the fine for that is $500. That and the fact that I had previously read Thom's grave story made me very reluctant to start digging into the cairn. The next spring I went back to the location hoping the winter and spring runoff had done the dismantling for me. The tree that served as a marker for the location had moved, and the bank of the cliff right above where the cairn was had collapsed. The best I can figure is that the cairn was covered by the collapsed bank because I could find no trace of it. Perhaps the BF are smart enough to know that would happen. Related to my theory that BF uses rock burial, one thing I did not mention is the fairly frequent reports of BF sightings in quarries. Those seem to be multiple BF involved. Rock quarries are hardly good cover so one has to wonder why groups of BF gather in quarries. One answer might be that they have either just buried someone in the quarry or are visiting the grave of someone buried in the past. Anyway every time I encounter a remote quarry I look for evidence. Piles of rocks deposited by heavy equipment buckets are pretty easy to spot. The cairn I found in the lahar near Mt St Helens, the rocks were orderly and looked like they have been placed rather than dumped. In other words they seemed fitted together like you see with a stacked rock wall. There were piles of rocks on the lahar but they tended to be sinuous in form, and were stacked in a random chaotic nature with gaps and voids. They are moved by snow and ice runoff during the spring. The suspected cairn was rectangular in form, the rocks were fitted together as if placed, and there were no voids that could be seen. And there was the delicately balanced stack at the West end that looked like some sort of bird. That could not have been formed by natural forces. The talus slope thing can be found anyplace there is a sheer cliff. Find a crag, deposit the body in a crag, then cover it with the natural talus from the cliff. That would be much less evident than some sort of cairn on relatively flat ground. Throw in cooler temperatures year round, snow and ice part of the year, difficult access for humans, and you have pretty much a perfect place to stash a dead relative and protect it from being disturbed by scavengers or humans. In either case a cadaver dog would be of great use if someone wants to find BF bodies.

On the lines of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if you want to talk about another cryptic or use it as a point of reference you should be willing to come out and say exactly what you are talking about. There is nothing to be gained from cryptic stories of cryptic creatures as they relate to BF.

CMF, taking the wider picture into consideration I can see where some would read some conspiracy thinking into things. In the face of it there are two things going on. One is the pile of reports that keep coming in coupled with the knowers here on the Forum. The second is the extreme level of surveillance capability in North America from local hunters and trail cams all the way up to satellite imaging and other defense parameters such as border patrol and everything in between. What's in between those two or three facets of surveillance is everything and everybody else who goes into the wild and its perimeters either for data collection by various fields of study or those more in the area of recreation. And of course there are natural resource entities and the people and agencies that run and regulate them. Especially on the public land front. So if one truly thinks Sasquatch is a creature that's out there then it would be a natural line to take that someone else must know about them. If the thing we call Bigfoot exists then it is nearly impossible to think it has escaped all of the eyes and ears that government has out there. In reality it makes no sense at all for that to be the case. None. Does that make me a conspiracy person? Maybe, but just on the surveillance point alone it can only go two ways: The creature is out there, or it isn't. Conspiracy theories are called theories because they cannot be proved. It's a mantra here on the Forum but only a body will settle ALL of the issues, discussions, and debates on this subject. But for the sake of this thread the extreme mega-surveillance capabilities available and in use today would naturally push more toward someone in authority knowing of Sasquatch's existence. But again, only proof of existence will clear the air. Good topic though, thanks.

It seems like you missed my point. I will try again: There are certainly nuts in the bigfoot world. It draws them like flies to stink. However, if you're around a while you'll see the same people show up in other areas of interest as well and they're just as far off the deep end in those contexts as they are in this one. Stable people are stable people no matter what the interest is. Unstable people are unstable people no matter what the interest is. Certainly the conspiracy theorists are out there. That's not a doubt. What I meant to say is I see little evidence to support their claims that the conspiracies they perceive actually exist. I suppose it is like the old saying "don't assign to malice what can be explained by ineptitude", just tweaked a little to fit the moment. Some people in this world are fearful of being small and irrelevant, they seek significance beyond their capabilities which manifest as delusions of grandeur bordering on clinical narcissism. I find this a difficult concept. To me there's freedom to be found in NOT having the world revolve around me. MIB