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It doesn't require a Rambo - if you're talking about a human being able to conceal themselves to avoid detection from other men. My team members and I used to do so all the time - and we were being hunted by entire divisions. Small recon teams. It's no big deal. One thing I note is that they seem to thrive in swamps, difficult mountain terrain, almost in-penetrable thickets, and altitudes. There is a reason for that - humans don't very often go into really difficult terrain. So if you have a pregnant BF, or an elderly BF, they'll stay close to the crib. That's just common sense. If they're intelligent, and I believe they are, and if they have rudimentary language - and I think the do - it's a no-brainer. Those that can hunt - go afar or work with other hunters - and hunt. Scavenge. Gather. It's been that way with all animals and men since who-flung-the-chunk. Some days are better than others - some days are worse than others - but they seem to manage. They may have knowledge and access to food sources we're not aware of - and that's why I don't get too hung up on the "caloric intake." It's not a big deal to go for three or four days without eating - and in fact - the body works to store the occasional food, and not store food eaten with great frequency. That's why dieting works much better with lots of nibbles through the day, rather than one big meal just before you retire. As far as being "stealth resupplied with MRE's," we weren't. That's how I know you can go for a few days without eating. We don't need nearly as much food as we think we do. And it's amazing at the food you can find as you're out and about - berries, There must be 30-50 types of just berries available. Roots - if you know what you're doing - they're edible. Bugs. I've eaten at least a bucket (spread over multiple times) of those white grubs when you kick over a rotten log or stump. Squeeze them, the crap runs out, and they're good to go. Every animal manages to find enough food. Who knows? If they're eating berries near their home - it's possible that some of those berry seeds they passed took root, and provides not only a source of food - but a natural barrier and greater concealment for their crib area. How does a family stay hidden? Primarily be being adapted to nocturnal preferences. Combine that with taking up residence in terrains humans avoid, and then be aware of any humans that come into your area - and overall - a family can do quite well at remaining undetected. Humans leave trails - maybe these things do like American Rangers - spread out to conceal their passing, never returning the same way they left out, stepping on roots or rocks to minimize any sign, and again - ingress and egress using thickets, thick bushes, difficult climbs, or any combination thereof. It's not hard. Only the lazy leave easily detected sign behind. They didn't call cave men cavemen for nothing. Caves in easily approached terrain is bad - anyone can come up on you. But if you are a really good climber - you can find all kinds of caves and overhangs with great concealment that humans won't begin to approach. Cool in the Summer, warm in the winter. You just don't take up residence in the obvious caves.

It's an enigma wrapped in a riddle. Its easy to think of a Sasquatch as some sort of bush ninja, obviously they have to be. But there must be other factors at play. Babies cry, they play, they don't pay attention. Men lose their minds when swooning a mate. Women must be looked after during late stages of pregnancy and child birth. The old are senile and slow and in pain. The sick must be looked after, they cannot be moved. They cough and moan and die....... They cannot always be bringing their A game.....no way.

Unfortunately we are not talking about Rambo here. I agree with everything you said assuming we are talking about one male Sasquatch in his prime. But in order for a species to exist we need to not only be looking at Rambo. We need to be looking at the old, the young, the sick and the pregnant...... Are you going to be covering your tracks when you are having contractions? What about horrible arthritis? What about mating? How does a extended family of 10 individuals from 6 months old to 60 years meet its daily caloric intake without a human taking notice? They are not being stealth resupplied by helo here with MRE's for all. Ishi was able to avoid detection and stay alive in the California wilderness despite being hunted like an animal by settlers. But his mother and sister were not able too. Neither was his whole tribe. They were caught and killed. Ishi WAS Rambo! But in the end completely isolated from any others of his kind? His personal victory was moot. So how does Sasquatch stay hidden as a family group?

Aye. If a man doesn't want to be found, within a thousand acres - and he's perfectly adapted to not needing outside support - he's not going to be found. He certainly won't leave scat behind, he won't leave tracks, he won't pick an area clean of vegetation, and he'll know when someone is in his territory. But. If it's a perfectly adapted primitive man - with uncommon nocturnal abilities, faster speed than humans, much greater strength than humans, much better endurance than humans, and physical abilities that humans don't have - well - my money is on him beating the intellectually superior - but in all other ways - inferior human. You miss a target within that thousand acres by three feet- you missed it! You may THINK you'd see it that close to you - but if you don't - you missed it. A dull, dark hair, and he goes to ground, tosses a few leaves to cover himself near, but not against some brush - you're going to have to step on him to find him. If you think you're hunting a BF when you go out - you're already in the hole. Assumed superiority - is not superiority. It's mistaken arrogance.

No doubt we are going to mistakenly attribute some tree naturally occurring "structures" to BF activity Randy, yep. It is just that kind of field investigatory work like you did that helps us be able to call a ball from a strike. I for one don't view the animal as necessarily making an all-out effort, 24/7, to avoid human contact. There are too many accounts of them showing themselves, deliberately, for that to be the rule. You also have to take into their account when they are "caught." What do almost all the accounts describe? Yeah, a la Patty, they turn away calmly and walk deliberately away, no panic, no rush, no fear. Hardly the demeanor of an animal who avoids contact at all cost. Is almost like, "Meh..no bigee, but don't count on seeing me again, if I can help it." As Bipto used to say, they are furtive, and careful. I also believe they want any observations to be on their own terms. There also is the reasonable conclusion that sometimes they just don't have a reason to care if you see them. So, it is not as if seeing their structures (assuming they are not in them at the time) gives too much away. We also have to be open to the idea there is such thing as Bigfoot progress. The idea they are stuck in some kind of prehistoric time warp... never learning, never changing habits to suit their realities is problematic to me. I believe they are adapting to a changing world ever minute, and this is the only explanation of their extraordinary abilities. And some may like to sleep under a roof, and some might not. Takes all kinds.

Actually Neanderthals live on in European and Asian Homo Sapiens.....but regardless your point is moot. If we can find evidence of the existence of extremely intelligent Neanderthals 50,000 years ago? It should be a cake walk to find evidence of a extant ape man creature living among us today. But it's not. So the question then becomes why? When I go in the woods as a adult, I see plenty of sign of many animals. But none that I cannot identify. Or at least what I think.... Sasquatch must mirror animals like bears in behavior for me to mistake Sasquatch sign as bear sign. Or they are extremely rare and I'm just not seeing the sign to begin with. If we were dealing with a cave man....intelligence......we should be seeing signs that throw up red flags. Like fire, tool manufacture like rock napping, art, etc. It seems to do none of those things. So where is the sign?

A couple of thoughts. 1) We as a whole community have zero by way of scientific testable results. Not just a few groups. 2) No matter how intelligent you are? You leave signs of your passing. You leave tracks, you leave scat, you leave your dead, you leave behind lost vegetation as you eat, you leave behind prey species bodies as you eat......etc, etc. Ive tried to do food intake models on what it would take to support a large omnivore creature. It's not an easy task, and I would assume a daily struggle. This has nothing to do with intelligence. We find evidence of Neanderthals existence 50,000 years ago.

As far as migration is concerned, here in the southeast I've never seen or heard evidence of it. There is just simply no need for it. The deer doesn't migrate so why would the the Bigfoot. My most productive results come in the cold and cooler weather. Now in the northwest and the real cold places around mountains out that way and into Canada, i think they would migrate when their food supply starts migrating. Personally I think the only reason they migrate at all is due to their food source. Otherwise, i don't think they migrate just because of the coldness as i doubt it bothers them. About the original question, the group me and some researchers I knew started is out in the actual woods a lot more than most. We are really serious about being outdoors as much as possible. Not just a couple days a month, i mean like every weekend, most week days, and sometimes group campouts that might last for a week straight in different places hundreds of miles apart. For instance, this past weekend two hardcore members drove over 200 miles to one of our favorite bigfoot spots and camped out in freezing weather in a rain storm, camped wet all weekend just to locate a spot in a high remote game trail that has decent enough cell tower reception to install a solar powered live bigfoot cam I'm supplying. So yea some of us actually do stay in the woods alot and spend crap loads of money doing it. And besides, if we didn't spend so much time in the actual woods doing research for other people to discuss and banter about, we would turn into the people on forums like this with 10,000 posts.

I see where you're going ... Yep. That. My great grandfather would never let us kill a porcupine or grouse because they were slow and "dumb" enough that a person in an emergency situation could kill one and stay alive ... basically leaving the emergency rations on the table. We also seldom hunted right at home, we left the pet yard deer alone though occasionally using the does as live decoys to draw in big "stranger" bucks that wandered by once the rut started. Interestingly enough, as my father has gotten older and less able to roam far distances, he becomes ever more willing to plug a deer on the lawn (legally) ... sort of what we're saying the BF might do as their abilities to hunt afar are taxed by weather, injury, illness, or old age. Y' don't have to think about this too long before you start to realize they're doing exactly what we would, or do, do, when confronted with the same situations, limitations, and opportunities. "Hmmm." Yep. I don't have a right label, but that's the general "flavor." Something capable of our level of intelligence yet very seldom employing even stone-age level of technology. (I say seldom, not never, because they seem capable of borrowing at least some of our tools and understanding how to use them at times.) It's an interesting dichotomy causing some people great heartburn when the binary world view they hold is confronted with something that refuses to fit. MIB

I agree in full, and I'll go you one just a bit further - it hit me that the side of the mountain we were on had tons of deer - and they were there hunting and watering. At our feet was a huge valley with a few large valleys offshooting from the big one, and these things were full of deer. On the other side of the mountain - another really huge valley - lots of water and most likely tons of deer. I got the impression they lived on the steeper side, but came over during the Spring, Summer, and Fall to hunt outside their home valley. The purpose is to not disturb the game close to their lower elevation crib - enabling them more ready access when everything was snowed in. That's done by many outfield settlers in Alaska. They'll go afar to hunt during late Spring through the first snows - and not bother the game closer to their cabin - enabling shorter winter hunting distances. So for them to be seen more frequently on ridges - it may be because they're 1.) skylighted easier, and 2.) they're crossing from their "home" area to hunt the other side of a mountain or ridge - "saving" the game on their side for winter hunts. I hold that these things are some primitive man. Not human - certainly not ape - but a primitive, cave-man-type man. Smart, clever, and thinking.