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With all do respect FarArcher, if you truly wished you had never saw one, you would not be here. By coming here you are looking for validation of what you saw. If you truly wished to forget what you saw you would not need validation. JMO of course.

Define varying degrees? I think part of my problem is I have a pretty tough list of criteria when it comes to evidence for myself. Things like tree breaks, knocks, howls, scavanged bones, while interesting is not really solid evidence of anything. Solid evidence for me is either a trackway or a sighting. According to the Finding Bigfoot crew.....they have "squatchy action" almost every time they go out. From Washington to New Jersey....... I've NEVER seen them film solid evidence ONCE on that show. It's always a tree knock here or a howl there. Which could be anything. So if people have hidden honey holes full of squatches I'm assuming they have a lot of track casts and photos of them. So the next logical step should be DNA proof. Hair or scat sample should do it for all of the anti kill researchers out there. Or shoot one and bypass the "we lost your sample" or "your sample is contaminated" results this field seems to be plagued with. I wish them luck. But if we are basing the definition of a honey hole on loose evidence such as tree breaks, howls or wood knocks? Contact me and I can tell you exactly where to go in the Selkirks to experience these things. Hard evidence? Dunno.

Oh. I was serious when I stated that I wish I'd never seen one. Some things once seen, simply cannot be unseen.

It's been over thirty years since I've been to the place in Northern California where I had regular encounters, but that location hasn't changed. No building or other development. I think it is probably still a prime location and plan to return there, assuming I ever get time. The locations in Lemmon Valley, Nevada may no longer qualify. The valley has seen significant development and is very highly, as opposed to sparsely populated, now. The undeveloped areas moving Northeast along the Western side of Pyramid Lake, through the Pah Rum Mountain Cluster, and on into Southern Idaho are probably still used as a travel route. The common theme to these areas is that they would qualify as oases within their broader environment. Lemmon Valley was a seasonal travel route (mid-summer) through arid high desert. This means that areas along the route with easy access to water were stop-over points. Where there was water, there was also food in the form of more succulent vegetation for direct consumption and to support prey animals like deer and jack rabbits. There was also an abundance of "snack food" in these areas like lizards, snakes, cicadas, rodents, and small birds. The human communities around these developed water sources also provided gardens, pets, and other food sources. The family group that used to come through would stay for up to six weeks so long as food was plentiful, apparently staying in the hills just above the community. The spot in Northern California was a high forested plateau bounded by three peaks. Within this high plateau there were about two dozen small lakes, one developed campsite, and two or three hiking or jeep trails. The lakes along the trails were stocked with fish every couple of years and still are. There was a lot of activity there and the family group, again, appeared to hang out one hill away from the campsite and trail with the stocked lakes. We had encounters there from May through September, but those were just the months that we were in the area. The family group may be there year round for all I know. Point is, though, that the high forested plateau provided plenty of water, food, secure areas with multiple easy infiltration and exfiltration routes, hills providing vantage points to observe human activity, and a pleasant summer climate. It was an ideal spot within what is generally considered Squatch habitat. I think that an experienced operative like yourself, FarArcher, could identify potential oases in areas where there is a history of encounters through simple map reconnaissance. That narrows things down considerably.

You might be getting your jabs in but when you're using "Finding Bigfoot" to back up what you're saying, I know you're capable of being on the ropes..;) I don't know the answers to the questions, you know I don't. I'll go, in no particular order and I may add to this, States that don't have viable breeding populations. South Dakota North Dakota (possibly) Nebraska Delaware CT Massachusetts Nevada (maybe the northern part, but don't know enough about it) Rhode Island Kansas Maryland New Jersey Thats nearly 25% of States crossed off there...;) They may pass through these States, I wouldn't be surprised if they do, they might pass through to find areas that do have viable breeding populations maybe or other food sources.

Kit, thank you for further evidence showing that you're not thinking clearly. The images might account for the lay with sufficient imagination, but you haven't pointed out any tracks from where the elk stood up. Obviously it was on its feet AFTER it got up, so the body didn't press out the tracks. SO WHERE ARE THEY? Show me a hoof print in the "body". Show the hoof split ... unavoidable if it is bearing weight. Show the outer rim on both sides at ones. You can't. They're not there. So, despite your wishful thinking, whatever it is, that is not an elk lay. MIB

In the fundamentalist cult element of Bigfootery there are still clingers. They will not denounce it because Meldrum will not denounce it... The following shows a perfect example of this cult behaviour mentality... http://bigfootgirl.com/who-is-jeff-meldrum-my-100th-blog-post/

Is there even any doubt at this point that this is anything other than an elk lay? Why? Because it's just an elk lay.