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I wouldn't be too sure their impact is measurable and detectable on an environment. Obviously they would eat, but what they eat and where could be quite diverse. Add in the fact that what they eat now is attributed to either some other predator or a natural mortality rate of it's prey. The rate of reproduction of it's prey could be skewed by their presence as well, all hidden in the data, because we don't account for them being there in the first place. I don't believe they would have to ravage a particular area to stay within a 100 square mile range which is only 10x10 , particularly if the area is uninhabitable by people like in flood zones or riparian forests along waterways down here.

That happened about 16 years ago. Within just a very few hundred feet of the location I had a teenage BF male deliberately allow me to see him one afternoon during the very hot summer of 2010. (Repayment for doing he and the others favors for several years.) The family group still occupies that mountain, and forages over an area of about 20 square miles.

I've been to Alert a number of times, beautiful place, pretty isolated, most everythin' is located near the main street were the ferry docks. I don't think there are moose here on Vancouver Island. I was talkin to Fish & Game Warden couple years ago, bout a black bear down at the beach I'd seen here in Nanaimo. We talked about griz sightings at top of island, he mentioned they think there may be a small breedin' population of them up there...that aren't supposed ta be there. I talked to John about the vocalization on Alert when it was goin' on, was on the news here, thought I could help, my brothers wife has a lot of kin there. He had already been up there, was goin' back if I recall. I think most on Alert would be familiar with the wildlife sounds of the local animals, they grew up there, it's mostly Native. Short list, but scroll down to bottom...last two animals ! http://www.discover-vancouver-island.com/animals-in-the-wild.html

I would echo the thanks Triton for posting the videos above, I'm really looking forward to sitting down and seeing what they've got. I meant no offence earlier and it's honest and open of you to post these for all our untrained eyes and ears. Cheers!

Highflier the fight account that you relate shows two behaviors that I find interesting. Anytime humans witness BF behavior we should pay attention. We know very little about BF behavior so we have to glean what we can. First of all the fact that they were fighting in the first place. The reason for the conflict is unknown but the behavior shows that they do fight. It could be mock combat or perhaps they had a genuine problem with each other. Mock combat would imply that they also do real combat with each other in certain circumstances. Why else would you play wrestle? If they were fighting because they had a beef with each other that also shows they do real combat. The second behavior that this report shows is also very interesting. First of all if you encountered two bears fighting I doubt very much that they would stop their fight, look at a human and then run off. We have lots of video of bears fighting and they pay little attention to the human camera man. They would continue fighting and ignore the human. Most animals including dogs etc refuse to stop fighting because of human presence. Pick an animal fighting and they ignore humans present. As a matter of fact if you intervene you become part of the fight with most animals. If the BF combat was real, and they stopped fighting because they were being observed by a human, I would have to think that human avoidance is at or near the very top of their priorities. Certainly their avoidance behavior shows this might be true. Humans must have done something very bad as a species to BF to get that sort of total avoidance behavior. Most animals, if you observe them at a safe distance they ignore you and continue what they doing. BF will hide if you are a half mile away.

I understand what you are saying. I have no clue why they act a certain way like that. Seems like they would want to retreat and take off and remain hidden better. Just curiosity I guess. It could turn into a weakness depending on they do it in front of. But that is one of those traits (throwing things, vocals, actually wanting peoples attention, ect) that is collective among all Bigfoot's across North America and Canada unlike some traits which is most definitely regional . Personally I think if they are single males, they are more likely to be meaner ones and not so curious but just takes what they want to survive on their own. I think the curious ones would be a family unit. They would know enough between bad and good concerning humans, as in motherly and fatherly traits that probably takes generations to learn, as the single males/females that leave on their own probably doesn't know these things or had the time to learn properly and it takes forever to relearn these instincts in family units that starts up again. I think these were just curious, but maybe the first one that was there was a younger one that went to get the male and female. We will never know that but that's the guess due to the analysis. So maybe family units are more curious to a degree. Maybe that's why the big one stomped down the hill because his family was there and saying, yea we will play but also saying don't mess around at the same time. The object thrown was not mean or threatening, but more playful and small objects. Wasn't like it was throwing softball sized rocks at the group members. There was never any bad intentions given out by the group, maybe it was just being there where no one ever parks in the middle of the night and gets out at to stare around in the darkness. In the videos, it was thought one went to get the alpha male that came to throw the objects, and stomp down the hill. The one seen in the thermal footage. The one at the beginning might not have been the big one that came not long after. The others, maybe a female and another one were communicating to each other after they showed up. They weren't all there at the beginning. Maybe the numbers is what confused the big one, as no one ran away. Yes it does kinda make sense that they were confused the "humans" weren't doing the usual. Either camping out in the last remote campground and being normal and the occasional trout angler going up one of several very cold mountain creeks/streams. Just not a place you would ever seen anyone out looking for Bigfoot, and that night was driving some vehicles just down the trail to a nice bridge. You can see pictures of one of the streams at the beginning of those videos. I have also still photo's and lot of gopro footage taken during the daytime to show how thickly these trees are in this place. Very old mountain growth. Very quite in here and one of those places that it gets dark around 4pm due the huge canopy of the forest and pitch black at night. Creepy. This time of the year when this happened was during the no campfire season of that part of the park so we didn't have a fire. Could also be they heard the yells that were being made and they got curious. Those were the ones covered over with the old Tarzan vocals. It's explained at the beginning of each video. They are known to stand silent and very still to watch humans. So I guess they would hunker down if it's a known thing too them to do so. I don't think they all know how to do that, in the same way I don't think they know how to make teepee's. In some instances, I think it might be a reactionary thing where say for instance, one is looking at you, and you just glance over and it thinks you made eye contact with it, it might just freeze or try to act camouflaged in it's shaggy covering. But I seriously don't think they know to do this as a trait in their trying to stay hidden. When you say like, "at night when confronted by a group like yours? Toss a stone and then fold up like a stump shape?" ..... Well that brought up something I have thought for a lot of years now, We are pretty sure they can see at night like in the day time, maybe not as good but somehow their sight is amplified some at night. Well, I think they simply do not know that we can't see at night as well as they do. And that thermal shows exactly that. That one was still hiding behind a tree in the dead of a very dark night. You talked about them trying to hide and act stealthy like a stump, ect, so that right there says it's some what of a common trait. But I think it's only a reactionary thing. Ask all you want I don't mind, I can talk Bigfoot analysis all day long. Not sure if what I typed here helps any of your questions but it's 1am and I'm tired and still got about an hour of work to do before I hit the sack...

There is no shortage of black bear anywhere on Vancouver Island or the nearby islands. It is always possible that a bear was recorded, and professional analysis of the sonogram might provide more information. I don't hear the similarity that you do, nor I take it does Dr. Bindernagel. I suspect that he, as a wildlife biologist living pretty close to more than a few acres of bush, is reasonably well acquainted with black bears on Vancouver Island. I also image that the folks on Cormorant Island in Alert Bay are pretty familiar with the sounds of black bears. To me bear seems not so likely.

Thank you for the videos T, What an active locale. There has been a little conundrum going on in my head and watching and listening your videos helped to identify it better. And it is this: It concerns the subject of stealth. In the videos, other than visual, there is none. Vocalizations galore, rock throwing, footsteps, and more than one creature present and doing those things. So where's the stealth? remaining out of sight while still creating such a racket isn't really stealth. And this kind of activity has been reported in daytime locations elsewhere as well. For something to consciously want to stay hidden this doesn't make much sense. So could it be looked at as a weakness rather than a strength? If a weakness then there's obviously overriding factors that come into the arena that cause the creatures to more or less give themselves away and make their presence known. It seems you and your group's presence (in numbers perhaps) brought them beyond the typical mannerism of complete reclusiveness. Something which is held to be the chief reason more aren't seen of found when looked for. The question would seem to be then that they approached because Humans weren't themselves on the move through their habitat. Does this seem like a reasonable conclusion? Granted it was dark but in general is this your take on it as well? Is it only when Humans are on the move that Sasquatch goes into complete 100% stealth mode? I've read where they have been known to turn, hunker down, remain motionless and get looked over because they appear to look like a large tree stump. That's also would be logical as a daytime evasion tactic when caught off guard and need to "disappear" quickly. It may be that they use the same tactic at night when confronted by groups like yours? Toss a stone and then fold up into a stump shape? Now, if they do I wouldn't think that they are purposefully aware that they are imitating a stump as much as the technique is deployed because archetypically it has worked and so is taught to, and learned by, following generations. My apologies but I can't help needing to pick this stuff apart and so ask for opinions to get others' perspectives.

SWWASAS, you candidness is noteworthy and highly commendable. It makes me think retrospectively on things I could have or should have done differently myself. I can only hope to learn and so to think better about my own conduct in the field. And not just for Sasquatch either but the rest of whatever inhabitants reside in areas that I frequent. Thank you for pointing out for me such an important aspect when out in nature. Especially when it involves water sources.

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