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I'll bet you would too Inc1 my man! Been trying to persuade my spouse to get on the road earlier than planned to maybe see the eclipse in Oregon but it doesn't look like we'll be heading out that early. The plan is a northern summer=style route through Canada to the Dakotas and on thru the Teton Range and end up in Port Angeles, WA to see an old friend. Then head down to Tahoe to see more friends and hang out for a while around the lake and mountains looking for you-know who After that trek then we plan meander back this way on a more mid-country route so a blast through NE is certainly not out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Prolly be tired of the road so the quicker home the better. All in all, a month, or a bit more, round trip. Tenting most of the way with our dog, Eddie

Let's be honest here and look at some numbers for known animals. Cougars kill the same amount of deer per year as Norseman's estimate for a bigfoot requirement. In areas such as WA state were cougars are known to fill every available niche of habitat that fits their needs, how many cougar kills has anyone found to support those numbers? There are a lot more bear numbers in the state than cougars. Does anyone consistently find evidence of all those bears foraging for whatever it is they are finding to eat? Are we able to tell the difference between the above mentioned animals and bigfoot when evidence of feeding behavior is found? In the area we research we have found over two dozen elk and deer kills now. The age of these sites are within the last two or three years. Some show the evidence we are looking for in possible bigfoot feeding behavior. Elk are a lot bigger than deer so the requirement for animals killed is a lot less than would be required if deer were the only prey. This area is about 2 square miles. So if it's a cougar doing all this killing and feeding it's only about a 50th or less of a cougar's range. Makes me wonder how much we haven't found in a larger area. So with those numbers and considering a larger area, there is more than enough evidence to support a couple cougars (male and female, since only their ranges overlap), some scavenging black bears and a few bigfoot as well. So I beg to differ when it's said there is no evidence of feeding. I have no idea what the bigfoot population is but look at it this way; when researcher encounters, sightings and finding fresh evidence occur at the same time over large widespread areas it is not the same individuals we are seeing or experiencing. Unless portals are coming into play.

And knew my response to your posting, too. Eh, my Maine associate? BTW, ME and NE, not too far off, eh? ;-)

I knew you were going to say that Inc1, my BF pal psyche-linked me and told me

Some claim their mental pen-pals.

Quoting the BFRO doesnt help your case. I am out weekly in the winter, summer spring and fall, and you know where to find tracks if you gain the experience. Snow, mud, sand, areas where tracks leave an imprint. Tracks are very findable. Sorry.

There are no Clovis finds above the Younger Dryus event layer. The ice age was over, the climate warming, Clovis people were spreading out and thriving, and the Younger Dryus event plunged the climate into a mini ice age in a matter of a few years. The Clovis people disappeared or morphed into the NA in the SW. The Younger Dryus is dated at 12900 to 11700 years ago. Science of course fought that cause as an impact just like they fought the dinosaur killer event. In both cases they said, where is the crater? Oil exploration found the Yucatan crater, More recently a large crater has been found in Northern Canada. That is the likely crater of the Younger Dryus. This is classic main stream science at work. Gene Shoemaker claimed the meter crater in Arizona was an impact crater. Main stream science claimed it was volcanic and blamed the dinosaur extinction on the same thing. Shoemaker was ridiculed by science for both well into the 20th century. Then the comet hit Jupiter with the world watching in 1994. Giant Jupiter had huge scaring impacts that were visible in the gas giant's atmosphere for weeks. It was the equivalent of a wake up slap on the face for science. Yes meteors and comets still hit the planets and can do extinction level events. And yes main stream science was proven wrong once again. But while science may have its faults it does fix its errors, where as the accepted history of North America is simply a fabrication, that never seems to correct itself because of new discoveries. I do not recall celebration of Viking, Irish, or Minoan discovery day on our calendars. . .

The one scat pile that I suspect could only have been bear or BF had not only berry contents but quite a bit of fur. If it was BF it's diet was supplemented by animal protein. Human shaped in form but huge diameter and lots of it. Bear skat is normally not that well formed and tends to be in more runny piles. Interesting story with that scat find, I was walking along an old, no longer used logging road and heard some brush break on a hillside above me. The break seemed more like a deer that was in get away mode. I went into the thicket expecting to find a deer but did not see anything. I went in on the logging road as far as it went and on the way out, right in the middle of the road was that huge pile of scat. Still warm. Bear or BF it seemed to want to leave it for me to find. Bear scat varies considerably in form and contents depending on what it's diet is when produced. Since BF is thought to eat pretty much the same things at the same time of year, I really would not know how to differentiate the two, unless you saw it being produced or there were footprints involved in the scat find. As far as huge foragers and signs of that, one documentary on human evolution showed the pile of vegetation necessary for sustain a human for a week. It was a pile as tall as the human and the table he was sitting at. But they showed animal protein necessary to produce the same food value. It fit neatly on a single plate. The point being that high level brain activity in a humans pretty much requires animal protein or we would spend nearly every waking minute foraging like a gorilla. When humans came out of the trees, developed high level brain function, and started a nomadic existence, animal protein was essential to supplement the human diet on the African savanna with its limited vegetation. The most likely animal protein source was carrion scavenging until hunting skills were developed. The 10 percent a day rule simply does not apply to an omnivore. I would think we have enough witness evidence of BF predation of deer and elk, small animal eating, and consuming termites and grubs like bear to assume BF are omnivores. If BF indeed migrated out of Asia to North America that migration was the BF equivalent of leaving the jungle trees and vegetarian life style and going out into the African savanna. As BF moved further North the trees became coniferous, had little or no leaf vegetation, had no fruit and few nuts, and vegetation alone could not have supported a large ape man. So perhaps it began to hug the coast, use fish or shell fish, and scavenge larger animals as it got into the forests near the Bering Sea. Inland would have been ice and heavily glaciated so the passage into North America had to have been along the ice ocean boundary. By the time it crossed the land or ice bridge and reached North America and moved down to the more temperate climates in the PNW it had to have incorporated animal protein into its diet to have ever gotten here. Plant life in those latitudes during the ice age could not have supported an exclusive vegetarian. So unless the BF originated on this continent or South America it is hardly surprising that the trip required it to be at least an omnivore. Once it made that adaptation, it would hardly revert back since animal protein is a more efficient food source.

Hi g, I thought it was this frame from the third video at around 2:15

Perhaps you shouldn't be using the Gorilla formula. We don't see such mass foraging therefore they aren't so reliant upon vegatation for food. If nothing was off the menu, how well could you spot their feeding sign?

I'm needing weight estimates based on the Gorilla formula of eating 10% of body mass each day. A 400 lbs Gorilla eats 40 lbs of vegetation each day or 10%. And I am fine with Bigfoot being a super woods ninja. But I'm not fine with people not noticing hundreds and hundreds of lbs of vegetation stripped from the forest each day nor the large amount of waste left behind. Sneaky or not, nothing can hide forage sign. The biomass that is removed cannot be put back, it's gone. Same goes for hunting. A family unit will be eating 2-3 deer sized animals per week. It won't take long to notice the mass amounts of deer bones piling up in an area. And I wouldn't think it would escape wildlife biologists for long either. Especially if an area is not known to harbor large predators like bear or cougar. I personally think the Gorilla estimates are low. North America is not as warm as Africa as a whole, it's not as lush vegetation wise and Sasquatch is reported to be bigger than a Gorilla. This continent is a tougher place to make a living with the possible exception of Florida or Central America. Which means they cannot stay in one place too long without stripping it bare of flora or fauna resources.

Would be tough for BF to sustain on acorns in the PNW There are not a whole lot of oak trees West of the Cascades there to produce them. There is a smidgen of evidence that BF may have some weaving skills. Most seen in the form of art but certainly that could carry over to baskets which could be used to store food. Not many claim to have been in a BF den or cave that lived to tell about it. Who knows what might be stashed in them? On the other hand there are steelhead and salmon runs that produce fish protein several times a year in many rivers. Deer move around but are always present in the region. Rodents are available year round. Berries are present from early summer to late fall. Perhaps they could be gathered and allowed to dry. Native Americans had numerous root food sources which I suppose BF could collect also. There are some reports of seen BF pulling roots. Most of the Native American knowledge of these food sources has been list to modern civilization. Perhaps by reading old settlers journals we could get an idea of what used to be food sources for humans in the area. Certainly I doubt modern Native Americans have any special knowledge of that. Most are even loosing their own languages. Human history is pretty much what is left of tremendous amounts of lost knowledge. Humans are terrible at keeping history. When we conquer a rival we destroy their histories.

@Maggie, did you check for tracks? The family of a friend of mine has a story from long ago- this is at a lake cabin up north near Emily where I found a trackway a few years ago. The story is decades old. My friend's aunt was napping in the cabin and awoke, thinking that she had seen a bear was looking in the window. A search for bear tracks yielded nothing. The window height off the ground was an issue- as black bears are the only species around here that would have been a pretty big black bear on its hind legs. No so weird for a BF though- and if her husband was looking for bear tracks he might have paid no attention to tracks that might have looked human. Its a very unsubstantiated story. I only bring it up because I've heard wood knocks there for decades and I found a barefoot human track in the bog on their land- where there are no trails. That track was part of a trackway of about 15 tracks that I found. The thing is, why would a barefoot human be trespassing on their land where there are no trails?

I've been to Alert a number of times, beautiful place, pretty isolated, most everythin' is located near the main street were the ferry docks. I don't think there are moose here on Vancouver Island. I was talkin to Fish & Game Warden couple years ago, bout a black bear down at the beach I'd seen here in Nanaimo. We talked about griz sightings at top of island, he mentioned they think there may be a small breedin' population of them up there...that aren't supposed ta be there. I talked to John about the vocalization on Alert when it was goin' on, was on the news here, thought I could help, my brothers wife has a lot of kin there. He had already been up there, was goin' back if I recall. I think most on Alert would be familiar with the wildlife sounds of the local animals, they grew up there, it's mostly Native. Short list, but scroll down to bottom...last two animals ! http://www.discover-vancouver-island.com/animals-in-the-wild.html

It's normal behavior due to all the reports of these type encounters. I classify what happened here as an "encounter". Not a sighting. A sighting is someone driving down the freeway and sees one running across a farmers field. But the behavior shown the most common reported actions that most all these type encounters have. There was nothing outside the ordinary about what they did compared to any other encounter that has been reported by other people across the United States or Canada. A single person would have been crazy to be in this place by themselves late a night lol. But there is something to be said about strength in numbers. A single person might not have fared so well. There was couple people that walked quite a ways down the trail road and didn't see anything on thermal. Sometimes they will stay out of range, and I think that is the infrared from the night vision that was given off. The thermals gives off no light at all so they would never see those. Had both night vision and thermal going. They might be able to see the length and spread of the infrared night vision enough to stay a ways back. The same way it's hard to record video's of Bigfoot from security cameras outside of homes, they can test the infrared light length from the cameras by throwing something into the view of the camera and see how far back it triggers the camera, so they know where and how far they can reach into your yard and grab your pet for a quick snack without setting off the camera's. An infrared camera blinks when it takes a picture and is visible to anyone. The reason I think this is because a couple of years ago in another one of our research areas several of them were called in to us, no one had night vision or a thermal. They came within yards of us off the side of the small dirt road. Could hear them just walking off the side of the road. I think if we had night vision stuff going they would have not gotten so close to the small group of people. Also, since they can see so well in the dark, they probably just saw people looking straight at them and pointing at them and figured they were being seen and stayed partially out of sight. There were two groups involved in this. And lot of the members are in both groups.

I understand what you are saying. I have no clue why they act a certain way like that. Seems like they would want to retreat and take off and remain hidden better. Just curiosity I guess. It could turn into a weakness depending on they do it in front of. But that is one of those traits (throwing things, vocals, actually wanting peoples attention, ect) that is collective among all Bigfoot's across North America and Canada unlike some traits which is most definitely regional . Personally I think if they are single males, they are more likely to be meaner ones and not so curious but just takes what they want to survive on their own. I think the curious ones would be a family unit. They would know enough between bad and good concerning humans, as in motherly and fatherly traits that probably takes generations to learn, as the single males/females that leave on their own probably doesn't know these things or had the time to learn properly and it takes forever to relearn these instincts in family units that starts up again. I think these were just curious, but maybe the first one that was there was a younger one that went to get the male and female. We will never know that but that's the guess due to the analysis. So maybe family units are more curious to a degree. Maybe that's why the big one stomped down the hill because his family was there and saying, yea we will play but also saying don't mess around at the same time. The object thrown was not mean or threatening, but more playful and small objects. Wasn't like it was throwing softball sized rocks at the group members. There was never any bad intentions given out by the group, maybe it was just being there where no one ever parks in the middle of the night and gets out at to stare around in the darkness. In the videos, it was thought one went to get the alpha male that came to throw the objects, and stomp down the hill. The one seen in the thermal footage. The one at the beginning might not have been the big one that came not long after. The others, maybe a female and another one were communicating to each other after they showed up. They weren't all there at the beginning. Maybe the numbers is what confused the big one, as no one ran away. Yes it does kinda make sense that they were confused the "humans" weren't doing the usual. Either camping out in the last remote campground and being normal and the occasional trout angler going up one of several very cold mountain creeks/streams. Just not a place you would ever seen anyone out looking for Bigfoot, and that night was driving some vehicles just down the trail to a nice bridge. You can see pictures of one of the streams at the beginning of those videos. I have also still photo's and lot of gopro footage taken during the daytime to show how thickly these trees are in this place. Very old mountain growth. Very quite in here and one of those places that it gets dark around 4pm due the huge canopy of the forest and pitch black at night. Creepy. This time of the year when this happened was during the no campfire season of that part of the park so we didn't have a fire. Could also be they heard the yells that were being made and they got curious. Those were the ones covered over with the old Tarzan vocals. It's explained at the beginning of each video. They are known to stand silent and very still to watch humans. So I guess they would hunker down if it's a known thing too them to do so. I don't think they all know how to do that, in the same way I don't think they know how to make teepee's. In some instances, I think it might be a reactionary thing where say for instance, one is looking at you, and you just glance over and it thinks you made eye contact with it, it might just freeze or try to act camouflaged in it's shaggy covering. But I seriously don't think they know to do this as a trait in their trying to stay hidden. When you say like, "at night when confronted by a group like yours? Toss a stone and then fold up like a stump shape?" ..... Well that brought up something I have thought for a lot of years now, We are pretty sure they can see at night like in the day time, maybe not as good but somehow their sight is amplified some at night. Well, I think they simply do not know that we can't see at night as well as they do. And that thermal shows exactly that. That one was still hiding behind a tree in the dead of a very dark night. You talked about them trying to hide and act stealthy like a stump, ect, so that right there says it's some what of a common trait. But I think it's only a reactionary thing. Ask all you want I don't mind, I can talk Bigfoot analysis all day long. Not sure if what I typed here helps any of your questions but it's 1am and I'm tired and still got about an hour of work to do before I hit the sack...

I agree, maybe the statement should have read "We believe we know where a few Bigfoot live, we regard this as fact. We think it likely that a couple of smaller groups also inhabit the area"? I don't think it's offensive or unrespectful to ask for something to back up what is a pretty big claim - if Triton didn't want publicity or criticism or feedback then he shouldn't post on a public forum. Yet he did post a claim on a public forum however and he seems like an educated, grounded individual so he should know that not everyone will just accept claims at face value, nor should they.

That's the drum i've been banging for some time now. For once, human self obsession is the right thing. It IS all about us where these things are concerned. We are the bait, the lure.

Hmmm ... politics ... forum rules. I have to be careful here. Some of my favorite activities on public lands are under attack by special interest groups who want those public lands shut to all activities except their own. They've successfully used presence of endangered species to close some of those lands already. Many of those funding the efforts don't even live in our area, it just sounds good, tugs at ignorant heart strings, etc. I don't plan to motivate them even further and give them even more ammo to use against the needs of the people who reside in the affected areas. MIB