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So, what is this memo, then? I don't understand all this secrecy and reluctance to offer details around the demo. Whenever I refer to something, I also include a link. I don't expect people to just take something as fact because I said so. Whenever someone declines to support a claim, I automatically assume the claim is either untrue, or probably an undocumented rumour.

Don't you tell us all the time that a scientist never makes assumptions?

Absolutely. More over, numbers of people, taken alone, is not enough. Different demographics vary in their propensity to report. For several years I thought that my favorite location "turned on" mid to late August and "went dead" about mid September. The first part seems to be correct, the bigfoots and the humans (family campers at end of summer) arrive roughly at the same time. However, the second is not. What happens? At the end of Labor Day weekend the summer campers go home and kids go back to school. They are replaced about a week later with archery hunters. The bigfoots seem to still be there, the change is that the hunters are, per capita, less likely to file a report. However, loading and unloading at the trailheads, fishing, and talking to those folks as they stop by to have lunch, etc ... they've got incredible amounts of activity going on. .. enough to make me think about taking up archery hunting and set my rifle aside for a few years. By the time rifle season starts in October, things do seem to have dropped off a lot. So, additional questions for me are where the bigfoots are coming from .. where were they before they show up in my spot in mid-late August? And where do they go after they leave? MIB

As I think I said before, I can't be absolutely sure what year I had my first sighting. I know it was deer season, so probably October, 'cause we were sitting on a sand bar waiting for my aunt to come off the mountain so she didn't have to walk the rest of the way home. I remember my cuz was old enough to drive but I wasn't. That locks it down to 1 of 3 years. I probably could call another cousin who was staying with us and working for my grandmother that year .. she was only there one year. But .. does it matter? '75, '76, or '77 ... does it matter now? I only remember my second sighting 'cause it was the 2nd saturday of deer season and it was 2013 so it was pretty likely Oct 6. Almost 4 years later ... does it matter what day it was? The bigfoot is not there right now. The only people it really matters to are those looking for some reason to dismiss what happened. Does anyone believe I really care what they think? Does anyone think me so weak that I need their approval? .. 'cause if you do, I have news for you. MIB

Well I certainly don't remember significant or any other event by year, so I assume that many others don't either. I have spent a fair bit of time on occasion trying to deduce what year some event or other happened, by putting together any evidence, written record, sequencing and anchor points that I could figure out.

After reading the above accounts of not recalling even the year for some "possible" encounters, I think we need to further classify.... With a circumstantial event which could possibly be BF related, like finding tracks, hearing howls, etc I can see the witness not recalling the approximate date. However, when the witness claims a "Class A" sighting event, with a lot of detail of the subject they observed, etc. It is reasonable to expect the witness should recall the approximate date and time. A clear BF sighting is a traumatic event which would affect anyone deeply, no question. Certainly the witness would think about the sighting for a long time after the fact. Perhaps go through a period of denial, analysis, acceptance, etc. I can't imagine experiencing such an event and not being able to recall the year, month (+/- 2) and the approx time of day. Was it morning? afternoon? evening? "I don't remember", really? hummmmm, red flag!

My major point is, he couldn't remember the date, or double-back and figure it out: trust me it doesn't take much if your world is rocked (and, your feet are firmly planted on the ground when it happens) ......I've been there too. Not taking anything away from your sighting, Salubrious. But, honestly or with highest fidelity, I am majorly blown away that some people can't even remember the "year", but that is just me, because at the time, I was on a mission!

Let's concentrate on proving ONE species real first before we start postulating about three seperate species. Holy Cow.

US and Canada in Alley's case, worldwide in Sanderson's case. Interestingly enough, though, the 5 basic form were the same though the locations were different. You should read the books and familiarize yourself with the evidence they were looking at so you know what you're arguing with before you start to argue. MIB Edit to add .. we ought to ask PBeaton to verify my recollection of Alley's book since he did the illustration for it. If I'm mistake, well, I'm mistaken.

Branco, l mostly use Dmaker's views as an inverse indicator of how well my life's experiences have informed me about the world and this topic. His opinions are useful for that, if little else. You'll note he never has much to offer about his actual experiences in the wild, although I think he visited a Provincial park once, took a walk, didn't see a Sasquatch and shut down his field exploration efforts soon thereafter. I'd pay those thousands to see him spend just a single night on the ground alone anywhere south of Montgomery . This, or anything like it, will never happen though. My personal assessment of him is, "Often mistaken, but never in doubt." This is but the latest example. "Ignore" would be my prescription.

I actually think necro posting is not a bad thing . New members get to comment on threads from an earlier time when they were not on a particular forum.

But one has to be careful. Because in order to have a Bigfoot sighting? You need a Bigfoot. But you also need a human. So data like seasonal elevations could point to seasonal behavior of Bigfoots. But it could also point to the seasonal behavior of humans as well.

Real social sciences people operate on statistical distributions of measured characteristics. Take of the label with social stigma, put in "football player" instead of "bigfoot", and they'd find exactly the trends and distributions they're used to seeing. With the preconceived biases accompanying the label removed, they'd be on board with "football players" being real based on analysis of the data so fast it'd make your head spin. The data does not at all jibe with the assumption of bug eyed monsters reported to get attention. Not at all. And, knowing that, it appears to me this introduction of "social sciences" is an attempted appeal to authority which is fraudulent at best. To quote hiflier: "NEXT!!!" MIB

And I understand that sentiment even as a proponent. But here is the thing to remember, proponent or skeptic alike. Without people like BobbyO ? This forum will die. He is the guy out on the internet dragging very germane topics back to our discussion board. And as BobbyO said, even if this nests were not constructed by Bigfoot? What made them? Is this a new behavior for black bears? The find is still significant for wild life enthusiasts.