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Boy, ever considered the fact that people do read and consider things yet come up with different conclusions than you? ..... I know, mind blown for you.......

Love all the Jeeps... Nothing like a O||||||O ! I've had 3 Wranglers over the years. A 90 YJ, a 2004 TJ, and a 2009 JK. The TJ was probably my favorite of the three. Anyway, I was looking recently to get back into a Jeep, but I'll tell ya... don't get me wrong, I have much love for the Wrangler, but they've become way too popular and trendy to own, and are holding their value too well (for my purposes haha). I could not find a used Wrangler in the 4-5 yr old / sub 60,000 mile category that was under $20 Grand.... I did some reading online, and went and took a 12' Liberty for a test drive, and was impressed with it, and wound up buying it. For the 2012 year, same 3.7 V6 as the Wrangler ( yea i know theyve gone to 285hp Pentastar), same Command-Trac 4x4 system (4x2, 4x4HI + 4x4Low), same NP231 transfer case, etc etc etc.. The Difference ? found a used 2012 (and sadly discontinued) Liberty KK with low 60's mileage- $12,500. Big difference.. ! I'm ok with it being a hard top, Im ok with the way it looks (reminds alot of the original Cherokee), and the extent of my "wheeling" is logging roads, seasonal limited use roads (some of which are hairy, washed out, bottom out alot), and I've been nothing but impressed by how this vehicle has reacted to everything I've thrown at it. I've had it nearly bottomed out in soupy mud, on three wheels several times, and so far its shown the same sure footed ways that I was used to with my Wranglers. Similar road driving experience, you know its a Jeep- but hey we knew that when we signed on, and it's all about the off road, deep snow, go nearly anywhere experience that we were seeking. Here's a photo of mine, next to Marsh Pond here in upstate NY.

Bravo, Starling. Wish I could plus your insightful posting a dozen more times. I look forward to more words of wisdom from you!

WSA I am stuck with this creature being albino BF. Now saying that this creature is a albino BF which means that these creatures are rare in it self. How many albino creatures are there in our national forest? I would say that there are not that many so this in it's self is an odd event. The other thing that stick out at me is that the witness thought when he saw the creature was he thought it was another biker moving south as he was moving east. So the movement of this creature must have been so smooth that it looked liked like another motorcycle driving south. This is some thing that has also been reported on other reports about how these creatures move through the forest. It is that smooth gate of movement that is ghost like which appears to be like a floating appearance. I have also seen this in other animals of the forest like deer, squirrels and other critters. You are right the creature did flare it's nostrils to scent check the witness. Creeks are great hunting spots for deer and this creature might have been hunting at that time when he was biking through. Depending at what time of the day they were jumping this creek bed and what time he decided to follow this trail. Well either way they must have disturbed this creatures hunting spot. Just like my self when hunting on public land and other hunters walk on my spot I would be pissed too. All the deer in that area would be pushed out of that area by the human presence. Now this is all speculation but the albino part is what has me thinking. Since they have been sighted in Ohio but I am not sure if any where else . But if they have not been sighted any where else then this would make it easy to track their movement and their age since they are rare.

You gotta watch the videos to know, but I'm guessing to a skeptic like you, absolutely nothing.

IMO, the events of life can and do result in manifestations of appearance that are outside the common perception of what a BF "looks" like. With multiple races of Homo sapiens what is illogical about BF being in the same circumstance? Interracial breeding and inbreeding could possibly be foundational in the witness report. Paradigms can cause such a hidebound condition that it becomes absolutely impossible to see the forest but for all those **** trees.

My apologies...I can get overly Socratic. I should know by now this group does that not so much. But the larger point I'm trying to make here... No sighting report (with the likely exception of the PGF) is proof of Bigfoot. They are not nothing though. Collectively they are a pretty big something. What you get out of them though is only what you put into reading them, and this is but one example. I was privileged enough as a young man to have the tutelage of a number of very talented legal practitioners who taught me this skill by example. (I've also had any number of juries double-down on that lesson and school me the hard way) Those lawyers could read the same deposition, expert witness report, medical chart or other bit of evidence, and while it would warrant only a shrug from me, they on the other hand could pull out any number of unassailable inferences and conclusions. While the sighting reports are not sworn, they are testimony and they are vulnerable to giving up their consistencies and inconsistencies in exactly the same way. So, you can read hundreds of these things and only get as far as, "He said he saw a BF, but that is not possible, so nothing else in the account is worth examining". This is where most of the public, most of the scientific community and many members of this Forum land. Then, you have geeks like me and a few others who are never going to be satisfied with such an unexamined conclusion. I'm not claiming to have some super acumen, I'm only emphasizing it is learned skill that won't just happen. You have to be intentional about it. The question I always want to ask is: Once you get past the obvious details that any hoaxing witness could provide (i.e. "I saw a huge bipedal hairy thing with white hair that stood and stared at me...) can you find other, much more subtle details which a hoaxing witness is very unlikely to either think of at all, or find the need to include if he did. The report in the OP fits that description for me. What the reports describing an albino creature should trigger, I believe, is some consideration of the congenital traits associated with albinism and some of the genetically related syndromes associated with the recessive gene inhibiting melanin in mammals. I mentioned only a few above. Things like deafness, poor vision, hypermobility of the joints, etc. All of which are subject to some conjecture, I grant you. Still, if you stop at "that's impossible", you wall yourself off to a huge trove of supporting observations.

Either come out with your ideas on this or not. You are coming off as if you have some superior knowledge in regards to ciphering randomly submitted reports. The air of arrogance does not suit you well.

DWA: I understand your point exactly. I talked to the witness many times, and tried to zero in on his description of the eyes, head shape and that odd leg configuration. He was steadfast in his belief that the eyes were closer set than he would have expected. As for his head shape, although he did not say the word, nor did I even mention it, I believe what he meant was that the chin was wide and the head tapered to a coned peak. The thing about the "backward flex" of the legs, I could not figure out exactly what he meant, nor could he describe any better than he did. Now having said that, I want to state that his description of the leg movement is not unique. In a report I investigated from near the Robert F. Henry Lock & Dam in Lowndes County, AL two witness saw a BF crawl over a guard rail and started to cross the road in front of them late one night.They said when it stood upright its legs at the knee joint moved as if the animal had been injured by a vehicle. They slowed down because they thought it was crippled. Once it took a wobbled step, the legs straightened and it ran quickly across the road and stepped over the opposite side guard rail. In the long report I wrote about a female BF the local folks called "The Black Thing", that BF was either born with a birth defect or badly injured at some time to cause her eyes to be vertically offset. Her feet were also shaped much differently than typical BF's, more like that of the combination of a chimp's and ape's foot, and curved like a banana. (If I'm not mistaken, both of those reports were posted on this forum.) I firmly believe that in some cases inbreeding causes some of the unusual characteristics sometimes reported by witnesses.

That comment about the eyes close together . . . mine had his eyes way higher on his head than a human - they don't have much of a forehead, so trying to describe it is at best, awkward. And the one I saw, as I've described lacking proper terminology - I said there was something "wrong" with his knees and something "wrong" with his ankles. Now, according to Branco, I had nothing to really worry about - but this thing was butt ugly, huge, and I wasn't sticking around as once I was clear - had to check the seat of my britches for lumps. I know many would say. "Well if I'd been there . . ," and I call BS. You have no clue what you'd do. And armchair cynics bring absolutely nothing to the table.

By the way, I've personally received and investigated about a dozen reports from that general area. Three of which were forwarded from the BFRO. The details of all three have been published on BFRO's report site.

Triton It is not about buying into the membership but supporting something that you believe in. Of course people are going to have discourse about this subject. We are talking about a creature that is not going to just stand there and give us a nice picture. The same goes with killing one they are not just going to let you do it . I did it cause I gave my word that I would and that means a lot to me . It may sound like a sales pitch but it is not. The tar pit for myself would be a hell pit in fact for my self by all these sharks just swimming around while I wade. But sharing knowledge is key to understanding these creatures. This is the development of understanding and enlightment. But keeping it on a level where those who pay so that knowledge can be shared well. That is a different monster in itself. But this gives us insite to these creatures existence and this how we learn as humans. I would rather have some one critical of my findings then to have some one who is not. Reason ! To give me drive to prove them wrong. It is not about money with these creature for me or fame. I am not even sure what it is even about any more. But to hear what others have found and have experienced eases my mind and makes me feel at ease. We should be thank full to be able to experience what others have not been able too. I really do not see this forum like what you have said : " I don't want to pay just to read more bitching back and forth. ) I see this forum more as a highly critical forum. That has a lot of intelligent people with intelligent minds. That are looking for a single answer whether these creatures exist or not. I have always supported this critical thinking and have always challenged it. crit·i·cal think·ing noun noun: critical thinking the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment. "professors often find it difficult to encourage critical thinking amongst their students Again I need to stop ranting since it is hot in Michigan and have had to many Modelo's.

Reports are redundant and about useless now days. There is nothing ever new in them anymore. All the known traits of Bigfoot have been reported and known about years ago and anyone who has done research for more than a few years should already know this. Many reports now days are due to mass online media outlets where just about everyone wants to report they saw a Bigfoot just to make a few friends on their new Bigfoot group they found and then post their crappy blurry photo of absolutely nothing. If you want a real report then you better get your butt out in the woods and make them for yourself.. And not just any woods, but woods that are known to harbor Bigfoot. Unfortunately, despite popular current belief and current Bigfoot culture, they don't live in your backyard in the middle of suburbia. I can't trust reports made by a place like the bfro, they only post reports that fits their agenda. Reports made daily on facebook, lol you gotta be joking. Either you spend a lot of time in the woods searching for your own answers, or you will be stuck on a forum crying about what the other guy said. This is directly at no one, just seems common place on here lately. I could keep a research thread current and alive with all the outings our group has. Whether we find someone or not on that outing, there is always something to report. But I can't bring myself to buy into a membership here because I get the feeling it's going to be the same on the other side also as it is here. I don't want to pay just to read more bitching back and forth. But seems to get your own research thread you gotta pay for membership. Now if someone could prove to me that it's a lot better on the other side, I would gladly pay for a membership. I've also seen this "ignore" list thing thrown around on here lately by a few people. Seems to me as dead as it is here for quite a while now, if you have too many ignored, you probably just talking to yourself when you post.

Have you ever seen a ghost Ray? Have any of your loved ones ever told you they've seen a ghost? Do you believe them or do you deny them their observation? Whether you have or haven't seen one yourself, many people here have, I know this because in other threads, they have admitted to as such. Most people see them as kids but some as adults. I have too and know full well that they exist. Can I prove they exist, no, but they do. Science itself is wholly incapable of proving their existence. Science does not have a device to detect them (aside from maybe EM detection). Simply put, Ray and any others who can't accept what you don't see, there is more to this universe then what science or you know about. Why choose to be close minded simply because you lack the experiences yourself? That doesn't seem to be very forward thinking.