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With as many times "they" could have stomped a mud hole of my arse and waded it dry but chose not to, the least I can do is reciprocate and try to behave like a real human being all the while walking in a quiet grace.

This is why the chain gets yanked when anyone comes along to move the subject in a serious way. Folks, meet two of the 'yankers'. There are others, but you already know who they are. OK, ready for my face slapping session, because I know it's coming. Let 'er rip Heh, heh. Let the stall tactics begin. Let the stumbling blocks be thrown, and the character assignation run full throttle. It's pretty pathetic really. I put my head on the chopping block for proponents and skeptics alike and you know what? BOTH sides take their turns swinging the axe. Ain't it great?

^^^^I'm counting eight blue lines. Are they *upset*??

Lack of proof is not proof of lack. We don't have proof as science requires else bigfoot would not remain an officially undocumented species. That's a given. Further harping on it is fundamentally dishonest, a well spun strawman. Let it go. An intelligent discussion conducted with integrity leaves "proof" out. What we should be talking about is **evidence**, not proof. Balance of evidence, pro and con, considering both quantity and quality. What I've seen isn't relevant, what matters here is that the evidence, considered on the whole, is of such volume and such consistency that institutional science should be taking greater notice, participating in the discovery process, not waiting for amateurs to hand it to them. MIB

Hmm, Carl Sagan, respected scientist and spokesman, or Resurrection Man? Give me Sagan for a thousand, Alex!

I believe, for the first time in quite a while, we've found something we agree on. MIB

Sagan died in 1992. Show some respect or please. just. stop.

I responded to a specific situation and post of being in the clear not a charge or a surprise very close range encounter . I'm not a big fan of lever actions even though I have one. I have a Marlin guide gun .450 ported 18" barrel . I think it's slow and difficult for fast follow up shot. Semis have come a long way in reliability . I've run 100's and 100's of rounds through my AR10's in range sessions with no jams . rain ,snow no issues . If they were to get dirty due to being dropped in mud or sand . They are easy to field strip and clean ,even the trigger group in a pinch can be cleaned by squirting a water bottle into the trigger group since it's all exposed when field striped . , lever actions really can't be field striped without tools and time . . AR platforms are drop mag, pull charging handle , insert new mag and hit bolt release . Few seconds at most. to clear most jams due to mag issues or stove pipe etc.. My self personally I like shoot mostly bolt actions now . Gotcha

It is the evidence that I speak of that is inherently flawed . I agree based on what is there is enough to warrant further study. Deserves this from the main stream world of science and research . Even the remote possibility of such a ground breaking discovery should offer up endless possibilities for science to be involved in what be monumental in relation to our own past and future. The amateurs should not be expected to shock the world with cracking the proverbial case .What they have accomplished is a start that should be taking to the next level by the professionals unless they already know the answer.

The necro posting is out of control. It's a one note, one man marching band parade banging loudly down main street solely to hear himself talk.

All I see from the exercise is that zero has been advanced in the subject. In a way the whole shebang is backfiring. Too late to turn back now though. HEY CORNER! Meet your painter. In a sort of Machiavellian way though it just may work in my favor by sparking a drive to see something get accomplished on the Bigfoot front......finally.

DWA has necro-bumped 19 threads in the past several days. I could be wrong, but it sure appears to be a blatant and sad attempt to pad one's post count. Do you get a free tshirt and a cookie with 10 000 posts?

I think humans construct primitive tree structures in the bush. [Bumping the oldest thread in General Discussion because, ummmmmm, it's what the 'cool' kids seem to be doing]

I don't know if Fahrenbach identified synthetic hair as real hair, or not. But he is certainly wrong somewhere in that whole thing. According to Bourstev, he gathered hair from Carter's farm and that hair was identified as bigfoot hair by Fahrenbach. But we now know the entire thing was made up. So, what exactly, did Fahrenbach identify as bigfoot hair, if the entire story was made up?

All reports are going to be viewed and interpreted differently by each individual. His interpretation is no more right or wrong than your own at this point in the BF game. We are still dealing with an unknown. You can disagree with his opinions but that does not make your own any more valid.

Bottom line: So based on your "beliefs" that, (1) You considered the report troublesome because you didn't like the writing style, (2) sounded like it was produced by a story teller, (3) it contained a lot of extra fluff, trying to frame the scene, (4) you saw red flags about the narrow eyes, (5) You thought the creature should not have had small nostril holes, (6) some nonspecific "something" seemed off to you, and (7) you've read so many reports that "certain (unspecified) things jump out at me (you) from time to time", you concluded and recorded that the "Confidence" rating for this report was "low".and claim it was "scored on things that do not include my (your) feelings." Chilling to think what would have happened if I had included such ill conceived comments in responses to questions while on the witness stand. B'rrrr

Very true. I try not to do that. Sometimes my position on the subject puts me in a pejorative light, but it's not intentionally so on my part. When someone screams at you "So, you think all witnesses are either lying or mistaken??!??", it's hard for me to reply without coming across negatively. If I don't think bigfoot is real, then what other alternatives are there? It's not deliberate arrogance or belittling. But when you question belief, particularly one unsupported with evidence, you can instantly become the villain. Whereas, others go out of their way to be arrogant and condescending.

To be honest the more I dive into the subject I do find myself considering the whole topic a myth but I'm yet to let go of my belief based I guess on my own interpretation of what I experienced. I often roll my eyes when other proponents make claims of the paranormal type, portals, shape shifting etc. more often than not I'm more at odds with proponents and their extreme claims than I am with skeptics. If this thing exists I believe it to be very rare and elusive, not in every state, county and town. The self proclaimed experts here also do not sit well with me. If anything, at best there are some that are very well informed of potential evidence and well versed in the history of BF, that's where I draw the line. No one can be an expert in Bigfootery until we truly document and classify this thing. All the reading of reports and looking at castings will never amount to more than roadsigns on where and how to look for this thing.

Thats all absolutely correct, I do not know who is a legit knower or a liar. I take every report I read with a grain of salt as I expect all people to do with my encounter. Were it not for my possible encounter, which admittedly was not visual, I would probably wholly be on the skeptical side of this debate. So as a believer but not knower I at least try to consider reports possible but not definitive. I'm 100% open to the possibility this whole thing is mythical and I along with all the others have been hoaxed, delusional, lying, or misidentified a known animal. Yet I still hold to my belief, irrational or not lol. To err is human, none of us are above it.

LOL. Coming from the guy who takes every bigfoot report as truth and also makes grand claims about evidence discoveries (unknown primate DNA, anyone?) that he cannot prove. Your inconsistencies and ironic turns are truly fascinating.

The guy who disappeared along with another person, started walking down the road by themselves. Which is clearly shown in the videos. Yes, there were some worried about them and spoke of it. The lady talking was scared. They weren't walking up and down a slightly steep hill in the middle of the night with no lights and even then, they wouldn't if they had lights they wouldn't because they are smart enough to not hurt themselves pulling some prank in the dark. As in the video, this was a camp out. During the course of the camp out, some nights were spent driving down some old roads in this state forest. The day time was spent hiking all day long in area we camped in. Also got in some gold panning and trout fishing. There was probably six or seven more videos made of the day time stuff. Thanks for the observation and assumptions though.

If you can't conceive the idea of someone coming to a different conclusion than yourself in regards to subjective evidence and feel "roasting carcasses" is the way to approach said difference of opinions, you cannot be a grownup, here.

Yeah, precisely ... invest to prove to whom? Myself? Close friend? Someone I care nothing about? Varies. In some cases I might pay something NOT to prove even with proof in hand. I already **know**, I don't need proof. The only value I see of proof, now, is to maybe give some closure to people who are troubled by their experiences. MIB

When your percentage of probability for sighting reports being accurate is always going to be "zero", ANY constructed explanation is ALWAYS going to make more sense to you. No matter how contrived. No matter how much it is contradicted by the history of human behavior . No matter that such being true would be unprecedented. No matter that their assessment is not supported by anything else other than "I believe." What I've just described is the BF skeptics credo. Here's a question a skeptic will never, ever give you an answer to, so you can use this to judge who you are dealing with: Cite me one example from recorded history where this number of people, for this length of time, have ever related substantially similar experiences in these numbers. What you WILL get in return is plenty of misdirection, observations about collateral matters and side-stepping like Fred Astaire. Not the answer to this question, but it is o.k., because we all here know the answer: Ain't any such.

I'm not so sure risky.. IF one gets bagged however, that's one thing.. But getting another, or Filming one, or studying them, or create breeding programmes, or get anothe rin a Zoo, i just can't see it.. The acceptance of the species via one Animal won't in my opinion mean that all of a sudden others will be easier to find i don't think..

Wow, what a delight you are..