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"And boy I feel your pain. Ok, not, but boy I *see* it." I laughed, but I do think there are many paths to truth..... I do not have a lifelong interest in animals and the outdoors. I have had an interest in spiritual things for a long time now, though, and the BF are great teachers in that arena. But because of the BF, who pulled me out into the woods, I have a new awareness of what's out there in the natural world, and I want to be in that world more often now, regardless of who I meet there. I think what Mulder (the OP) said about liking debate was interesting. I have always thought that love of "debate" was just something the pretend skeptics (not the true ones) had to fall back on as a justification for their presence here. It seemed clear to me that a knower (like Mulder) would be here for very different reasons -- to push forward that day when they were "vindicated" (as Mulder said was a motivator for him, but was never an issue for me); to kind of boast about their new knowledge (which I'm sad to say probably WAS more of an issue for me); or just to share the information they now had (which was part of my motivation, in addition to ego). Debate for debate's sake didn't seem like a very worthy thing, to me. But the spiritual lessons that the BF teach (like the spiritual lessons that all beings and situations teach) maybe show that debate -- even about things that, to me, are not debatable (I cannot unknow what I know to please someone who doesn't know) -- is not so bad, after all. The main lesson the BF (and all beings/situations) are here to teach is really about the paradox I talked about recently in another thread (and always talk about): that we are at one and the same time sovereign, unique beings, and connected to all other beings. And we don't "connect" well. We feel we've connected only when we "win"; when we dominate. But no one person is ever supposed to dominate. We are only meant to talk to each other, which is a way (although only one of many) to express, to honor, that underlying connection we all have. So now, more than ever, I appreciate what drove Mulder to "debate" here and wish he -- or she? -- were still here to do it. I think he/she was right: "resolution" is not the point. Talking is. Connecting is. (And being respectful while doing it.)

Norseman: "The shows I've seen they basically follow the gorillas around, and even interact with them. What I want to know is if they found a Gorilla nest that was slept in 1-2 nights, six months ago? Would they still be able to gather samples? And would those samples yield DNA?" For those that think this interaction cannot be done with BF are not aware of the Tarzan Springs story from Oregon. (See that story related in "The Oregon Bigfoot Highway") A prospector was openly living with a group of BF as observed by a USGS mapping crew. I am afraid that while very difficult to pull off, that sort of situation is the only way we are going to learn much about the everyday lives of BF. Sikes and Disotell are so openly contemptuous of BF, I cannot see how they could be objective if interpretation was required in DNA samples they evaluate. When there is question of contamination, they will always rule on the side of contamination if the sample has similarities to human DNA. The only thing that will change their mind is a BF body on a lab table. I don't have a problem with that but some proponents think the two are in their camp just because they have done testing. They are not proponents. That said, if they can be convinced of BF existence, it will take good evidence and argument to do that.

I could not agree more as I have read up on this . Plussed.

You numpties broke Dmaker. This is why we can't have nice things.

This misidentifying is nothing more than a red herring. It is intended to assuage those who are non-believers. Maybe a soft-fingered, computer geek from Manhattan could be convinced he didn't really see what he saw. The little geek wouldn't know a flower from a rock. If I had a sighting, there is no one alive who could convince me what I really saw was a bear on two legs. I've spent too much time int he woods.

It's Mick Dodge.....they have found his lair!!!