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I guess we all arrive at our epiphany point by different routes Hiflier. Sounds like this was yours, and I am thrilled you have reached that level of certainty. What does it mean for others and the greater world? Well, as we say down here in the Heart of Dixie: Just don't stand on one leg while holding your breath to find out. Not to take anything away from your analysis, which I find to be very impressive, but I'm convinced there is no magical tipping point out there where all skeptics and agnostics concede the error of their ways and capitulate. If you were able to fortify and make safe your wall of incuriosity up to this point, with the MOUNTAIN of otherwise unexplained evidence to date, I'm doubting very seriously it would be much of a problem to throw one more sandbag on the rampart.

In retrospect it appears that an averave 6 foot Human male will have a total shouder span of a little over 25% of his height. Patty has a toal shoulder span of 42%!! And that's if she is only 6 foot tall. Questions I now have; Some old, some new: 1 ) Patty is real. What does it mean for this and other BF Forums to know that? 2 ) Patty is real, what does it mean for the skeptics to know that? 3 ) What does it mean for Bob Gimlin to know that? 4 ) What does it mean for the BFRO? 5 ) Patty is probably dead, so are there still others alive today? 6 ) What does it mean for our researchers in the field? 7 )What does it mean for Dr. Jeffery Meldrum? 8 ) What does it mean for those who fight the big fires in various habitats that have had a history of activity? 10 ) What does it mean for all of the government agencies like the Department of the interior, the Forest Service, the BLM, the Park Service? 11 ) What does it say about the government itself with all of it's access to survellance techologies and the agencies that use them? This list of questions is pretty small. The full list goes on and on and at this point probably touches on just about every thread on this Forum all the way back into BFF 1.0. It is therefore extremely important that definite numbers and ratios for Patty be nailed down quickly and that they be tested again and again before they are confirmed until everyone agrees with them. The Sasquatch subject was fun for me to get involved in. It's not fun for me now. It has just become soberingly serious. The short list of questions above illustrates that very well. Now what?

With Fox news clips like above? I think your failing. Without a doubt Melba Ketchum used Matilda to promote herself and as proof of her forest people interactions. How is Standing any more of a "proven" hoaxer!? My momma always had a saying.... "You can lock up a thief....but you cannot lock up a liar"

Well, this is dated, as I first wrote this back in 2014, but ... Old Slippery Skin's territory, circa 1810, covered approximately 900 square miles. The Litchfield Monster's territory (possibly a hoax), circa 1895, covered approximately 145 square miles and locals reported that the main creature was part of a family of three. If you go to the Northeast sightings, Vermont thread, my tract "Bigfoot in the Northeast" includes maps, breakdowns of territories, and an accounting of physically distinctive Bigfoots in many parts of eastern New York. For example, the vast majority of encounters in east-central New York occur on the roughly 900 square mile plateau/saddle that links the Taconic and Green Mountains - a saddle that happens to include Castleton, NY and Rutland, VT. Unfortunately, while I've been out in the woods hiking/exploring more since then, I've had no more luck encountering anything - even bear. I'm not sure I'd encounter a cow at a dairy farm the way things go.