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wiiawiwb, In this romantic notion, who are the first recognized peoples of north America ? " I'm Native American even though there isn't a drop of Indian blood in me." What nationality are your parents ? I ask, because I am Native American, my Mother as a child was put in the Residential Schools, as was her sister an brother. If you think bein' Native is some BS, you are mistaken ! So do tell, how are you Native ? So...I'll ask...how do you figure you are Native wiiawb...without a drop of Native blood in you ? Pat... norseman, I myself have been grateful for those who net salmon out here, an I guarantee if someone nails 10 deer, it gets shared, startin' with the elders or those in need. Those who are successful , share, I reckon you would do the same norseman, it is the ol' school way. Pat...

I believe you are referring to the Tapanuli orangutans, which are a group of orangutans which live in a geographically isolated part of northwest Sumatra in Indonesia. These orangutans live in an area of only about 1,000 square kilometers and have been known to differ from other orangutans in some small but important ways - their faces are slightly different, their diets are slightly different, etc. That said, these orangutans have been known to western conservationists for decades - and, obviously, to indigenous people local to their area for thousands of years. What changed recently is that a team of evolutionary biologists and anthropologists from the University of Zurich in Switzerland published a paper supporting this group of orangutans as a separate species of orangutans. Apparently, the Tapanuli orangutans have been living in geographic isolation from the Sumatran orangutan (which lives on the same island in Indonesia) and the Bornean orangutan (which lives on the island of Borneo) for about 15,000 years. The team in question seems to be basing their claim that these orangutans constitute a separate species largely on comparisons of the DNA of the Tapanuli orangutans with the DNA of other orangutan species. From what I can tell, there is just the one paper at this point arguing that the Tapauli orangutans constitute a separate species, and I don't think the article has been out for the scientific community to come to any consensus. In any case, this isn't really a case of any "new" orangutans being discovered, just that one group of orangutans is more genetically unique than was previously understood. A good article about these orangutans is available here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/03/new-species-of-orangutan-is-the-rarest-great-ape-on-the-planet/?utm_term=.ec683692dcc9

I think its a load of crap sold to people by skeptics. Do people misidentify animals? Sure. Do they lie or hoax others? Absolutely. Do people walk around in the woods hallicinating cryptic animals into existence? Heck no. Not without the help of magic shrooms! Humans....despite the opinion of the skeptical inquirer are excellent at observation. Hunters must discern age, sex and species of an animal in mere seconds. And then judge range, wind, obstacles and inclination and put a bullet in the vitals..... So I do not find your post credible..... sorry.

It seems consistent with SOME Native American beliefs. I have no problem with that. However, it's not the whole answer. As much as folks .. maybe like you, or maybe not .. might wish, what I saw was real. Process this: delusions and illusions do not leave castable footprints nor produce recordable vocalizations. While there is no proof they are "bigfoot" since we lack proof of bigfoot, **something** made them and it is not any known animal. Something "unknown" **is** out there. That is fact. You, or others, may deny, but will be wrong if you do. MIB

Would peel any rind / skin of the fruit, at the same time. Since we're extrapolating with unbound imagination.

Look at the atrocities committed by the Comanche, not just against whites but other tribes as well. Cruelty is a trait that doesn't follow ethnicity. Were Northern Europeans treated well by invading Romans, Huns and Mongols? No of course not. Both sides of the same coin. Kathy? What I'm saying is that I see no correlation in how Europeans treated American Indians and Bigfoot. Bigfoot is a creature that lives in the forests of North America we cannot even find. And not a entity we could wage war with directly, trade with, negotiate with or sign treaties as we did with Indians. It acts more like an animal than a tribe of Indians no matter what it is.