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We can move the thread over there if you like. I find it refreshing to have it in the General section. And a bit odd that the usual suspects aren't saying 'its a bloke inna suit' and leaving at that. When I had my encounter, I drove behind the creature and its head and shoulders were visible through my passenger side window. Its shoulders were wider than the truck window.Since its head was forward and down compared to a human, its head looked very small from the rear.

nah, Seen it, is it rainbow in color. Thinking Ancient Alien crop circle splatter.

Good Info SWWASAS on the electronics side. Talmadge Mooseman, on the subject of security. I only carry something for close in defense. Probably should have a fire arm and if I was in BIG BEAR country I would. But here in Maine there are only Black Bears even though I do not say that lightly. I just use common sense on trails and make a lot of noise when bushwhacking and try to never get myself into a situation where visibility is less than 20 yards. And now for the fun part. At the campsite, whether alone or not, I pay out a good sized circle of black thread, say 100' in diameter, and hang small cowbells over places where there are rocks. I run it consistently at about 2 ft. off the ground all the way round. In a nutshell, string gets broken, bells drop, and the rest you can guess. If the area around the camp is dense I run the string in segments across the more open accesses and tie a bell to each. The system is cheap and effective, allows small animals through unhindered and so only sounds off when something LARGER than a raccoon or small coywolf come through. The benefit? I sleep very well. I leave the system intact when away from camp and so always know if I've had a visitor. You'd be surprised how far away one can hear the bells drop onto the rocks. The entire set up stores in a small cloth bag.

Here is that Feb '68 issue of Argosy, my brother printed it out for me, 13 pages...free...

To be clear, when I first started thinking about this I was completely unaware of Dr. Krantz' analysis. I own an original copy of Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us by the late John Green and had seen the same diagram (pg. 445) that was posted on this thread many times but, as things would have it, I never put two and two together on what I was seeing in that diagram in so far as measurements or their relationships to each other. For some reason when looking at the PGF the size of Patty's shoulders became obvious and so I began to wonder about just how wide they were. The only way to really determine that was in the last frames of the PGF. Something you and many others would agree with. It became apparent that her shoulders WERE very wide as a result. I started to wonder how wide compared to her height. It was then I realized that I really didn't need to know her actually physical height but only needed to know the ratio of shoulder width to height. That ratio could then be extrapolated to any arbitrary height. Mr. Bill Munns was kind enough to send me some images of Patty walking away in the last few frames of the PGF. Something we rarely see because everyone seems to always focus on the film section with her looking over her shoulder- frame 352 if you will and adjacent frames. Of course in the last few frames with Patty walking away she appears pretty small on a computer screen but since I was only interested in a ratio it didn't matter. I originally got large shoulder width numbers because I had misinterpreted Mr. Munns scaling. I found some frames that were fairly clear and took screen shots of them and used a scale that had 1/32 divisions to measure the height and width of Patty to get the ratio I was looking for- 2.32. Using that I went conservative on her height because of slightly bent knees (compliant gait) and forward-leaning head. I divided 72 inches by the 2.32 ratio and got 31 inches for a total shoulder span. I got that same measurement from two different frames of the film so was sure it was correct. So taller measurements in height only will result in wider shoulder spans. I found what the average shoulder span is on a Human male and realized at that point that a person in a suit would have their elbows protruding just outside the Patty 'suits shoulders. I then physically measured myself and saw that my own elbows, which measured 36 inches tip to tip verified that my own elbows at the ends of my 19 inch shoulder span would indeed barely stick out from inside a Patty 'suit'. And that they absolutely WOULD NOT be located where Patty's are in frame 352 or any other frame of the PGF. That settled the issue for me of whether or not the subject in the PGF was a real Sasquatch..............It was.