I disagree about transparency. I have issues with methodology of both the Olympic Project and the BFRO. With adventure tourism and herds of people involved with both, it certainly muddies the water too as to what their objectives are. . Derek knows me by sight. The main rub I have with both organizations, is that given the period of time they have both been in existence, myself and others like me have had more success with BF in a far shorter period of time. Both have ignored attempts on my part at contact. I attempted to show my infrasound findings to the Ellis, the sound guy at the Olympic project, at the suggestion of Jeff Meldrum, and Ellis basically brushed me off in person. Too many of these people are grandstanding, beating their own drum on the conference circuit, and ignoring science all around them. They apparently do not know or care if someone, doing things differently, has had success. Quite frankly I think the Conference Lecture circuit has done more damage than good by creating experts where there are none. Sour grapes I know, but they have created the environment not me.