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All you have to do is look at technicians in a DNA lab, see how they are dressed head to toe, head covered, masks in place, gloves, and that is the protocol that should have been in place when the nest was searched for hairs. Yes it is a pain, and probably not always successful in avoiding contamination but why complicate and muddy the issue with contamination by ignoring long established DNA processing protocols. We have groups who claim to be using scientific principals but when you look closely at them, they are not. It is not like those protective measures are hard to get. You can go to your nearest auto paint store for protective suits, head gear, masks and gloves. Hair in an auto paint finish is not desirable either. Sure human DNA of those present can be compared to suspect samples but the problem arises when DNA samples are fragmented or incomplete. Contamination is always the first conclusion if an unknown sample has human traits. Shadowborne: " This is the circle that we are stuck on and still have not change. Patty is has nothing to do with what is happening today and it does not matter. Patty is just an observation that was filmed by some key witnesses and that's all. If she was never filmed there would be no one talking about this creature now. It is our thought process that needs to change and how we are to interact with these creatures that need changing. If we are stuck on the same thing and are seeing no results then we need to change to get the results that we want. This is what is happening to those who are getting results . They learned to change the way to interact with these creatures.In other words they have discovered what was needed to interact. Achieving results that others have not thought of trying cause it sounded to crazy. Only to believe that these creatures could be either Human /ape or just a new type of ape. So they used tactics that would only work on apes/chimps achieving zero results. Applying these methods do not work cause if they did science would be having interaction with these creatures in the now and they don't.. We need to learn from those who's methods are working and stick to them.Maybe then we will not need that body but have evidence of the way they live. Which is way better then murdering one of these creatures that might have played a big part in our evolution. The part that really scares the hack out of me. Since this can change a lot about our **belief** Maybe this is why they should remain elusive, myth, a long remaining mystery. I know that I can be happy with this even though I know that I have had my own encounters with them. But we all need to change the way that we search for them. " I cannot agree more. Too many assumptions are made about intelligence, what they are, what they are capable of, and the fall back position of most field researchers are that they are a dumb ape. It does not help that people like Meldrum further that theory. Game cameras in plain sight, wood knocks, whooping, even baiting are all evidence that humans think they are dealing with a dumb animal. Hell it works on deer, elk, and turkeys, why not BF? Who teaches techniques for BF research? The BFRO, and the Olympic project are the only ones I know that runs expeditions and gives classes. You have to be pretty serious about the topic to shell our hundreds of dollars for each expedition. So we have hundreds of BFRO "Finding Bigfoot" and Derek Randle clones running around following their personal dogma about methodology. Quite frankly I think much of it is just Theater. Mean while alternative methods in the field are probably getting better results but no one knows because it is field research heresy not to follow the BFRO model or question the Olympic Project. If you do have better results who do you tell? They pretty much control the bully pulpit. Both have certainly blown me off.

I can read a room just fine. i can also separate reality from fantasy.

Looking at my previous post and the glyph picture I had a thought. With human archaeology, when bones of human ancestors were found, the species studied and established, careful study of the same area/ strata is conducted for evidence of tool use, fire, broken animal bones,, and other cultural evidence. To my knowledge, none of that has been done with BF. Since the species existence is not established, nobody that has the expertise to recognize cultural artifacts has done a careful look. For all we know there are caves and lava tubes with floors littered with cultural artifacts associated with BF. It is not unreasonable to think that a creature who would leave that glyph on a stump for me, would decorate cave or lava tube walls with artwork or communicative glyphs either, just like primative humans did during the ice age. Not only may the assumption that BF does not create cultural artifacts be wrong, but that theory may be preventing researchers from looking for them. Much of what we know about human ancestors is from examining their cultural artifacts. Is this a new direction to take BF research?

Yes it’s just supposition. There is no evidence to suggest that Sasquatch is descended from Gigantopithecus, save for wishful thinking. Meldrum likes to pretend that Gigantopithecus crossed the Bering Strait ice bridge. Meldrum knows he cannot back up this claim with any evidence or proof, so he resorts to dismissive rhetoric when asked to back up his claim. All Meldrum has is an interest in a 50 year old hoaxed film, a collection of plaster casts (some of which have been proven to be fake), and a cast of an elk lay. Meldrum knows this, so he relies on an unwavering fan base and self-publication. In many ways Meldrum has already committed professional suicide and he knows this too. He may be employed as a professor, but Don Jeffrey Meldrum has forever relegated himself into the realm of cryptozoology — just like Krantz and Bindernagel before him. No blowback necessary. So sad too bad this is and always will be the status of Sasquatch. There is zero evidence of Gigantopithecus in North America. Just wishful thinking... Gonna put a (bf) body on a slab? Never gonna happen. More wishful thinking... In the meantime I can point you to many proven Bigfoot hoaxes. This isn’t wishful thinking it’s fact. But it’s fun to play make-believe on the internet, isn’t it?