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For Petes sake, I said I don't care what YOU think. No, and that is my point. There is only one truth. Bigfoot exists as a real animal, or it does not. No single subjective experience is going to change that objective fact. Nathan said "the truth". I take that to be different than "his own personal truth". That is as far as we (you and I) overlap in your statement. When someone says the truth, I take the wider, objective meaning of the word, not the more narrow subjective approach where the truth basically means whatever that one person perceives it to be. Nathans truth could very well be wrong. This would be a surprise to him, but that does not matter to the objective fact that his sighting could be a fabrication or a delusion of the mind. His truth could be different than the objective truth. People seeking the truth should not aim to align that with someone else's experience, but should aim for the objective, demonstrable truth instead.

Hiflier, go wag your finger somewhere else. I don't give a rodents posterior about what you think of me, or anything at all for that matter. Stick your nose somewhere else, I was asking Nate a question. You are the textbook definition of busybody.

Personally, there is no debate, I crossed that line out in the field years ago with seeing is believing. My own personal experience that went well beyond words or opinions on an internet forum. What I can't wrap my mind around is how they do some of the things they do which was the reason I posted some of my stuff in the beginning of this listing. I have more out of the norm material I may share in time. I stand amazed at the knowledge, talent, intellect and abilities many of you have and expressed here on this forum. Thank you all for the good, the bad and ugly. Be safe out there. I stepped over this critter late last week Squatchin. The man walking behind me brought it to my attention. It is a Copperhead snake for you northern folks, a pit viper cousin of the rattle snake. And yes, I instantly turned pro-kill LOL! Too many children and day packers that use this trail. I couldn't forgive myself if someone else wasn't as fortunate with this snake. If it had been out in a more secluded area away from people, I would have let him continuing sunning itself.

dmaker said "the reality". I take that to be different than "his own personal reality". That is as far as we (you and I) overlap in your statement. When someone says the reality, I take the wider, objective meaning of the word, not the more narrow subjective approach where the reality basically means whatever that one person perceives it to be. dmaker's reality could very well be wrong. This would be a surprise to him, but that does not matter to the objective fact that his word salad could be a fabrication or a delusion of the mind. His reality could be different than the objective reality. People seeking the reality should not aim to align that with someone else's lack of experience, but should aim for the objective, demonstrable reality instead. "Click" Ignore re-engaged...

In Nathan’s eyes....yes. Im undecided....correct, but lean in favor because of my own experience. But either way? Nothing anyone says on a forum is going to cement me one way or another. That only happens in the woods.... Are you suggesting Nathan is fabricating Bigfoot lore to sway people’s minds? People generally come to the BFF to talk about Bigfoot, correct? So if their wheels were not turning in this direction in the first place? Why would they come? If they think the subject is stupid from the git go? Why not join the ISF? Nathan is a witness and researcher. His “truth” is different than yours or Squatchy. Surely you understand this? And here at the BFF? He has the right to hold that position without needing a type specimen to prove it. Yes? So what is the beef here? Added... If this was just a general camping/hiking forum? I could see the problem of claiming bigfoot real without proof.

Was that four footed or two footed cougars?

You can carry a SBR lever gun anytime anywhere..... I’ve got Canadian buddies.

No connection has ever been established between Meganthropus and Bigfoot, let alone Mike Rugg's tooth and Meganthropus. Furthermore, discussion of Mike Rugg's tooth begins and ends with purely crypto/bigfoot websites. Add in a dash of Melba Ketchum and a sprinkle of Brian Sykes and it's safe to say it went nowhere. Fast. As it always does. The tooth went missing, you say? Par for the course. Just like Roger Patterson running out of film. A guy who runs a bigfoot museum thought a tooth is evidence of bigfoot. That doesn't mean the tooth is evidence of bigfoot.

Should the consideration of adding 'it is my opinion' not apply to everyone else posting in this thread? It's an internet message board. Unless a post is cited with a scientifically supported (real, published reviewed science -- not bigfoot science) anything that is posted here is 'of my opinion' 'of your opinion' 'of his opinion' 'of her opinion'... I don't think you know what truancy means. As for my motivations -- I've made it pretty clear where I stand. In this thread and others. You mean like your alleged sighting? The [proponents] people weighing the topic can't even agree among themselves if bf is a flesh and blood creature or a paranormal entity. So please tell me more about demonstrating a perceived truth with nothing to back up the claim. That door swings both ways. Which people? What has been said that stands on its own? The only thing that stands on its own wrt bigfoot is the many hoaxes that have been PROVEN. I suggest you read my signature which I borrowed from truant member Darrel, and was written 6 years ago but still holds up: "This time next year you are all still going to be making the same excuses as to why you can't find bigfoot. 5 years from now same story." Darrell Aug 22 2012

All of which are no substitute for a firearm......