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I admire your youthful outlook Nathan! My 67 years have taught me great tolerance for what seems immutable and for the thoughtful views of those who see things differently. I do not ignore a few members here, those I term "scofftics", because I fear debate but because they bore me (as do the usual responses to their predictable posts). Retirement gives me the option, by and large, of avoiding things and people that bore me to tears, and there are so many interesting things in this universe.

I've read your written account. I've watched 'your' episode of finding bigfoot. Why was your sighting not a misidentification? How are you applying the scientific method? Critical thinking is a must, and you just admit you don't have it. How are you any different from every other researcher out there? I must admit, even though I don't believe in squatch, Squatch has the advantage over you. There's a whole other side to the coin, but without critical thinking skills you're lost in the woods. Btw I have completed a degree, a course in critical thinking (it was a pre-requisite) and have spent more time in the woods in my life than you have. Please tell me again why your sighting could not have been a misidentification. Start a thread on it if you have to.

The question was asked about the estimated populations in the areas I visit. The area in central Oklahoma near Lake Eufaula where I had my close encounter had an entire clan of multiple family groups according to the land owner. I heard activity all around me but I only saw 5 subjects. A 10 foot alpha male, and 8 foot female, 2-6 foot juveniles and a small 3 foot toddler that I seldom mention because of sounding like I was embellishing things. I don't suggest there's a Squatch around every corner, but for whatever reasons, be it a feeling of knowing when and where to look or possibly being marked individual, I have no problems of going out to many wooded locations in Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kentucky and documenting activity regularly. It just happens folks! With that said, my opinion is there are a whole lot more living out there than many people realize. Case in point: Last week I was in central Texas with two other experienced researchers of an established organization I won't name and one newbie. We were moving down a well traveled, marked trail about 8 in the morning before the temps rose with 80-100% humidity. One person suddenly noticed dark quick movements off to our left about 75 yards out (Day watcher). I immediately began videoing that direction and noticed something dark which did not blend completely in with the greens and browns. I zoomed in and captured this subject discreetly watching us as usual using cover and concealment to perfection. The other three never noticed keyed on that specific location and were standing right beside me on a low water bridge. I was not using a tripod and the video wiggles about and the focus kept searching because of various levels and distances of objects in line with the subject. They stopped behind a fallen tree and used hanging leaves in front of them as cover. To give a better perspective of how subtle they can be (No telling how many have overlooked them) I have clipped two pictures from the video I shot that morning. The first is marked showing how far it was off the trail. The second is an enhanced clip showing the subject standing there watching us. He had the big nose LOL! Again I'm offering proof of anything I just enjoy sharing with interested folks.

For the record: I have no reason to put someone on ignore, I confront posts and posters on what is written. There is two answers to that question. 1. Personal truth, this is an opinion based on faith, John Smith's information or perception of an experience. 2. Defined truth, a clear, provable and repeatable status . Most here on this forum ( including myself ) operate under faith, information or experience. My personal truth is that I saw a bigfoot in 2009 but the defined truth is not yet apparent to anyone, as it should be. My entire point of taking stake is in this thread is to simply say that when a person makes a statement to define the truth, it has to have more mass than an opinion. If someone does not except this then they are simply foolish. Some people spend their entire lives searching for a hard scientific answer and never find it ( yes, I could be wrong about the entire subject ), I may end up in this book. I am doing my part to answer this question, taking action to no end is still greater than doing nothing. The practice is equal in value to the result. If a scientist is to examine X ( even if X is not real or present ) and follow the scientific method to the letter, then he is still honorable and affirming to those seeking knowledge. You are against the very term and practice of science if you believe that a question should not be academically examined in depth ( the body of bigfoot research as a whole has not turned up almost nothing because of it's lack in discipline, practice and motivations ). The position of " No X " based on a lack of information is as week as a sheet of tissue paper. I have stated this before, you are left with a few choices. I am either crazy, deceptive, correct or a combination of all three. I hope you continue to be of the mind that I fit into the first two options as the flip side is that you can't go on the notions or experiences of others, there has to be proof. I have a long cool story and not much more, everyone in this subject should be held in question < ( these three words are science ) until we have more than just a story. I am looking for the answer to this question under the scientific method, those making assumptions and statements going against these principles are weak.

I think one of the problems of discussing this creature stems from belief systems that differ, for one I hold to the notion of this world having been designed, some may think it mere chance our existence. I think that in the scheme of design something very close to humans would make sense, maybe even be needed to show us what separates us distinctly from the animal world. IMHO that is not simply our intelligence and make up as the hairless wonders that we are. Something else separates us from the animal world and that is the $10,000,000 question. Do not read into this more than what is being stated. Some might believe that merely physical laws could explain all this seeming order, and man being at the top of that order for now. So before you jump on the bandwagon of hanging me out to dry on religious grounds, all beliefs are religion of some sort, whether you think aliens were in charge of the design or some other higher form of life.The notion of the trogludite was that it completed an order between animals and humans and fit into that void. The void must not have existed in their minds to place this between man and apes.

Skeptics have so little to say. Thank you Midnight OWL for coming back to this thread. I apologize for my derailment with the Santa Cruz tooth dialogue. From here on out I will adhere to the OP. Thanks for your patience. I have a question that may be unanswerable. Is there any estimation of the size of the population of these creatures in this area that you are in?