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Why? I don't believe bigfoot exists either? Would it be because I'm open to the possibility it does and willing to discuss it? Willing to listen to what others have to say and what they've experienced and not belittle them for what they say? Would it be because I wouldn't come here to troll and run back there to make fun of the silly bigfooters? I know making sport of the bleevers is a requisite there. Not lately. I've looked a few times but all I saw was "silly bigfooters, yuk, yuk, derp, derp".

The JREFers are a cult of science geeks who cannot think in anything but absolutes. And they toe the cult line. Dissention in the ranks brings on ridicule of being illogical or irrational. As they debate each other they critique each others spelling and sentence structure. As if a online forum post was the final for a English major...... I think they all have a Spock altar in their garage. They are timid souls who do not dare stray from the herd. The whole rotten edifice is built on a lie. Mr. Randi’s life partner lived in the US for decades under a stolen identity. While Mr. Randi busted spoon tricks and mind readers and built a name for himself as a champion of TRUTH. I would never associate myself with James Randi or his forum. All a man has to go on in life are his own observations. And there is plenty of knowledge left undiscovered. I adhere to no way of thinking outside of what I have thought heavily on for myself. And what makes sense to me. Be an independent thinker. Be self reliant. Be strong and stand up for what you believe. Wouldnt last a week on a online forum? I would walk into a room face to face with 20 of them and lock the door behind me. I DO NOT hide my identity or where I live. I do not potshot people online from behind a mask. I speak the truth from my own perspective. Friends and family know that I participate on a BIGFOOT forum. Most JREFers would be horrorified if anyone found out their true identity. Even as scofftics on this forum. I am NOT a knower, but I leave the question open in my mind. And its no skin off my nose to be in the mountains keeping my eyes peeled for sign. As a Hunter that is my passion regardless...... And I’m attacked from all angles....beleivers and scoffers alike. Which means that I am in the center of the ring. RIGHT WHERE I LIKE TO BE!

^^^^ That might be. It's not going to stop me from trying. Couple reasons. First, there are places I want to watch that I just don't have time to cover adequately in person. Trail cams, regardless of their limitations, remain the best option available. Second, I hunt the same areas I'm researching so pictures of normal game animals are of value to me as well. And following up on both, having an idea if there are other people also passing through the area is of great value. A third ... merely being out there taking care of my cameras exposes me to the opportunities for an "encounter" (of whatever bigfooty sort) I wouldn't have if I stayed at home watching TV 'cause I didn't have cameras to go visit. I see no 'lose' in trail cams whether they get bigfoot or not. MIB

And yet we must respect your opinion here. Years worth..... But somehow we are the jerks? Just doesn’t seem fair does it.

It could simply be an increased awareness of the human, nothing supernatural about it. For instance, it has been proven to me that I have some kind of heightened ability to spot snakes when my companions absolutely don't see them. I've stood on rocks in the Blue Ridge and had to point to a rattler coiled not three feet from where we were standing, and they STILL couldn't see it. In walking through brushy terrain, I'm always going to be the one who spots the snake, poisonous or not. I don't know why that is the case, at all. I could speculate though it might have something to do with being very nearsighted, or maybe it is how my brain interprets patterns, or how my retina perceives colors. If I were a native, it might be interpreted as me having "snake medicine" of some kind. I just don't know, but I do believe each of us has a particular talent for noticing something when others might not. It might be the case with BF spotters.

If you haven't seen it, how do you know you don't like it?

Yes it does. "Being a marked individual"... something I hear more and more. Sometimes you can't help but think... "how in the heck did you know I'd be here??" Is it just a function of a prolific population, or is there something more going on? It is strange that some people can spend so much time outdoors and never cross paths with them (to their knowledge), while others happen upon them almost anywhere they go. I'm still at the point where I think it's just a matter of them being experts at reading our body language and interpreting our intentions... but I'm wondering if there's more. I know this stuff makes folks uncomfortable, but it's a lot more interesting than talking about the merits of having scofftics around. This is just another example of how their advantages mystify people. There is a trend in observations, but because it implies abilities that are beyond our comprehension (even if not paranormal!), people are inclined to reject such a trend, and will often reject the observations involved in illustrating it. Go to the most basic aspect of their advantage: look at the photos Midnight Owl posted. I'm not sure you could come up with a much more illustrative example of how they are able to just physically hide from us. It's uncanny to catch a glimpse of something with a human-like intelligence blending in so effectively with their natural surroundings, staying so completely motionless that you're not even sure of what you're looking at. It's beyond the scope of documented human experience, and with nothing with which to compare that experience, people reject that it's even possible. Keep sharing those experiences; they're the only things leading us in the right direction, allowing our understandings to gradually converge on what the heck we are actually dealing with.

That is simply not possible. You may disagree with the majority opinion there, but it's flat out incorrect to claim there is no critical thinking on display. And it's not all making fun of bigfooters. I have more than once stood up for members here that I respect if someone at ISF rips on them. I understand that. I have absolutely no doubt about the existence of bigfoot, as such I simply cannot participate in what feels to me like adult group make believe sessions. What is the point of speculating about imaginary abilities of an imaginary beast? You might as well be playing Dungeons and Dragons. So my contributions, rare as they are lately, usually deal with a point of logic, or something related to non existence. I don't really have anything else to add. Also, to be honest, I'm not above the odd mild barb from time to time. There are members here that I have, over time, developed a less than positive relationship with.

Best explanation of meplat I've ever seen Norse, the Garrett website is now bookmarked. Also read the article on .45 Colt vs. .44 Mag and it is an eye opener. I haven't had a center fire single action since I sold my 7.5" Super Blackhawk .44 Mag back in the eighties, and had forgotten how easy on the hands they are in recoil. Will have to corner one of the cowboy action shooters at the range and try out a .45 to see if it bothers my paws too much. If that works, something like a 4 5/8" .45 Ruger may be added to the armory for mountain carry. Thanks much for that link.

Rockape an norseman, It's interestin' neither of you believe these primates exist, yet are open to the possibility, an are both respectful about it on a Bigfoot Forum, thank you. As apposed to our two scoftic "critical thinkers", like soup sandwiches, haha ! Pat...

I understand, Im having neck issues right now and I think its causing vertigo. Which has taken me completely out of the fight. I remember reading about “meplat” being important in dangerous game. Meplat is the flat part of the nose of the bullet. The bigger the meplat the better. Oh its was Garrett as well. http://www.garrettcartridges.com/meplats.html

Yes I could still be wrong but I doubt it. Conversely Nathan et al could be wrong. The power of imagination knows no limits. Your opinion of ISF is duly noted. But it’s just your opinion and means nothing to me at the end of the day. My suggestion to you is simply don’t post there. You wouldn’t last a week. I agree wholeheartedly that Sasquatch has the ability to turn some people into blithering idiots, but I’m not naming names. That would be against forum rules.

And assuming the attack doesn't come from upwind! Add spraying bear spray to the list of things one shouldn't do into the wind. Might be handy in that instance if Superman were around, so you could give a little tug on his cape for attention. Seriously though, if you had a stout hiking staff that you could socket Pat's (hopefully) very large knife into, that would make a decent weapon to fend off a cougar. Should have a crossbar to prevent an impaled and seriously teed off kitty from sliding down the shaft and taking you with it.

That's a big 10-4 Norse!

A fifteen pound house cat can inflict a nasty wound while playing. A 100 pound cougar driven by hunger is plain scary to think about. Living on their turf I don't leave the house without a sidearm and pray I never have to find out if I'm fast and accurate enough to stop one. I've seen one 60 yards from my front door, had one scream in the back yard and last summer found a cat killed raccoon in the back yard. Pat, I know north of the border you're very limited on where and when you can carry a firearm, but I sure hope you have a knife at least as big as Crocodile Dundee's. Personally I'd want something more on the scale of a Claymore like some of my Scot's forebears likely carried. Please remember my friends, our big brain allowed us to develop the tools that put us at the top of the food chain, but facing nature without those tools is a crap-shoot at best. It may make for great reality T.V., but don't let hubris be your downfall.

Good stuff to have. Instead of the ax I carry a wood pruning saw to cut firewood if I get stuck out. I only carry enough water for planned drinking. Since stream water in Western Washington is plentiful, I carry a back packing filter to filter out microorganisms so can drink stream water if I run out of bottled water because of a break down. And because you simply cannot think of everything, if you can afford a personal locator beacon, having one of those that I can set off should I have a breakdown or slip off a road is comforting. Cell phone coverage is not common. I have literally been run off a road by a A hole logging truck driver.