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Bill Munns is the one who really put Patty in the "only can be a sasquatch" category and put to rest hoaxing claims. Others such as Thinker Thunker and MK Davis expounded on that. Sasquatch joint locations and proportions are such that Munns, a special effects expert, said he could not make a suit to duplicate it, that he couldn't make a suit that changed our joint locations. Patty is before CGI, there was no technology to fake it, thus making her the standard whereby we judge other alleged sasquatch videos/photos. But even that fact cannot sway mainstream science into acknowledging the species absent of a type specimen. Not just DNA, but at a minimum a substantial body part.

Agreed. But there are aspects of the PGF that need professional explanation. We have almost of us seen M.K. Davis' stabilized version of the PGF. It still provides an amazing look at fluidity in all of Patty's body parts. I have stared at that stabilized version in time sequences as long as 10 minutes at a whack while looking at every aspect of movement as well as movement as a whole. My pet peeve of course is the ratio of shoulder span to height regardless of how tall Patty really is. In truth what her height actually was is not al that critical to me as much as her body ratios. I have mostly target my viewing at the shoulder area with regard to how her arms swing and the point from where they swing. Her body ratio of width vs, height has shown me that it would not be possible for a Human to be inside and create the biomechanical effect that Patty had when swinging her arms. Her width to height ratio is a little better than 2.3:1 which is not dependent upon any concrete height measurement. The ratio itself is off the Human scale by a mile: As in 11-12 inches wider if even if only she was compared to a Human male who was 6' tall. Need an example: I read that Shaquille O'Neil at 7'4" has a shoulder span of 28". Shrink him down to 6' tall but keep his same shoulder width of 28". Patty was still 2" wider than that.

I can make such judgments because I have personal experience with BF. Some of the claims by habituators are hard to believe, even for proponents. Those claims include English speaking BF, BF being impossible to photograph, winking in and out of existence, and the ability remotely to disable electronic devices. All stuff you likely think are bunk. Well so do I, because I have experienced none of it even though I have a limited history of BF encounters. Some of these might be possible, like speaking English, but the other claims I have not experienced. Until I do, I am as skeptical as you are. As a I often mention, I came into BF research very skeptical about the whole thing. Only when something rings true based on my own experience, do I give it much credence. But I do not dismiss everything out of hand. That is not science but a dogmatic belief system, which skeptics and proponents both can be guilty of doing.

I missed this earlier. And I will give credit where credit is due. Dmaker is speaking the truth. As for the rest of it? I dont play Dungeons and Dragons. I dont hang out on Dungeons and Dragons forums and tell them how dumb they are wasting their lives playing it. And I dont belong to a anti Dungeons and Dragons forum where we talk about Dungeons and Dragons players and how dumb they are to waste their time playing the game..... Why? Because its an even dumber waste of time....... And I will say this. Anytime your in the back country for any reason? Its not role play.... No matter if I’m scouting for Elk tracks or Bigfoot tracks? The trails are just as narrow, the cliffs are just as tall, and the rivers are just as wide. I dont care if your scouting for pink unicorns and leprachauns? One slip may be the end. No joke. Its no game. I’ve had horses roll over me and crack ribs, Mules upside down in creeks, bucked off, hypothermia at 10,000 feet in the Bighorns of Idaho in late October. This isnt a “game” for pot smoking, cheetos munching, kids rolling fantasy dice in their parents basement. Bgfoot may be a myth. I dont know for myself. But the rest of it? Is stark reality. I dont even know if you dont live in western north America? If you really even comprehend it. And no that one summer trip to Yellowstone doesnt count. And I guess thats why I bristle at the notion that this is just a role playing game. It may be for some? Sitting around the campfire at some state park campsite in Ohio and tell spooky Bigfoot stories while eating smores, do some wood knocks and whoops, listen to forest sounds and get freaked out together and convince each other that Coyote howl isnt really a Coyote at all...... yah I get the comparison. Thats not me. Try rolling out of your bed roll at 2am in the morning 50 miles from the trail head because the Stock are going ape shit on the highline. You know Griz are in the area as well as Blacks, Wolves, Cougars......because you have seen their tracks, or them. Your out there in your long johns with a rifle and a flashlight...... by yourself. I dont care how skeptical you are..... in the back of your mind? Bigfoot may just be a myth to you sleeping in your warm bed. But out there in the vast wilderness, in the pitch black, when you know something is out there? He haunts the recesses of your mind. He does mine. And I dont have any problem admitting it. When I crawl out of that tent I am ready to face anything with a metallic taste in my dry mouth. I can control my fear but I will not lie and tell you its not there. Its always there. Maybe its because of some ancient artifact in my DNA. Maybe its the experience I had as a child. Maybe its because I too ate smores and listened to stories around the campfire as a kid. Illogical or not? Its there. I would be lying otherwise. And I bet you my bottom dollar? That these scofftic JREFers? Deep down, way down inside, in the pitch black on that camping trip when a heavy branch snaps close to camp? Its there as well. Its visceral. And its probably why they hang around here..... Its like a morbid fascination that they just cannot tear themselves away from. Or maybe its just because they like to make fun of us weak minded folks that cannot 86 it like they can!

What attempt!? Bob Gimlin covered Roger Patterson with a .30-06 rifle. It was IN his hands. If they had collected Patty instead of filming her? Imagine our world today! My whole life I would have known as fact that wild Sasquatch roamed the state in which I was born...... Huge. Instead? Its just a elaborate hoax. Many of the people on this forum working on the SSR support collecting a specimen. Its a means to an end. Peas and genetics, sure. But at some point an idea is proven right.....or not. Its not being “sciencey” its about reality. Hello? We have no idea if its anthropology....... without a body. And I have no idea what you mean by “something else”. Are you talking about aliens, spirits, portals? Are you sure your a scientist?