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Haven't been here in ages, but this thread has been entertaining to say the least. Due entirely to my contrarian nature - to the OP - I'll make a few observations. First, I don't think they're migratory or perpetually wandering. Any canny man living in wild country that gets cold knows to set aside food supplies gathered in Summer and Fall. They also know to range and hunt far from their winter quarters - leaving the nearby game alone - as it's hard to hunt in the winter, and the closer game is to your winter quarters - the easier your life will be. Meaning - I think they're largely territorial - they may make a three or four day loop hunting - hitting some areas only once every three to four days - however large that territory would be - it would depend on terrain. Their Summer hunting areas will probably be just a bit different than their Winter quarters - maybe they'll hunt in the next valley over - even at higher elevations - and leave the game alone in the next valley over where they have Winter quarters. Normally, I'd never postulate one way or the other on whether these things are some kind of apes or something else - but I know they're not apes. No guessing, I know. Which would be why they're so adept at avoiding those whom they wish to avoid. They're smart. They have tactical excellence. They're finely attuned to their environment. They also have the ability to hide in plain sight. And have the patience of Job. They don't panic. The ape-believing crowd will go ape-**** at that concept - but none of them ever got a really close-up look at their faces. And it's not just me. Native Americans often refer to them as forest people, or forest men, or wild men - and through the ages in multiple cultures - they're often called variations of a wild man. The popular belief in these things being apes - is pushed by scientists - who by their own fabricated "science" and faulty history of man - they cannot allow for any type of cave man to still exist. They dug their hole, deep, and now they're stuck in it. I'd further suggest that if a person sees one, or if that one is making a racket - you're already flanked by others you don't see and aren't aware of - and you should really keep checking your six o'clock position. And while they may be spotted singly most often - I am firmly convinced that they live in family groups, or clans - and they can and do work with others from neighboring families or clans. Which also assists in maintaining a healthy breeding population - which must be really significant. We humans 'own' the day - they've apparently adapted and certainly 'own' the night.

The DNA stuff is just too expensive......I had some good looking fresh slobber once, called & emailed Disotell several times, and he wouldn't give me the time of day. Here’s a bit of history on my Bigfoot journey, I am a closet-footer for sure, rarely talk with family or friends about this, it is a very private hobby of mine, and a lifetime of ridicule has made it this way. My 1st sighting was in the Fall of 1959, just after dark at age 5, very disturbing & scary, another daytime sighting in July 1969 that included physical contact, and the last one during the day in December of 2015. I’ve had another half dozen more of what I call near-sightings, mostly sounds & shadows at night in close proximity. No doubt they are out there, and that’s good enough for me. I’m not trying to convince non-believers, and even though I used to be obsessed with proving their existence, I’m not anymore. Just enjoy everything that being in the woods has to offer, and if some BF stuff happens……cool, and then I get to tell you guys about it:)

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I faked tracks one time. I was about 14 years old, done with my wood shop projects early and was bored. I cut out two pine boards in the shape of feet with our schools band saw. I nailed an old pair of my dads work boots to them. One night I snuck into my aunt and uncles garden, that they meticulously hoed and weeded daily. I made a very large loop, jumping from foot to foot and periodically stopping to pull off an ear of corn or a carrot out of the ground and messily munch on it and drop the remainder of it. My aunt who is my moms sister went to the garden in the morning. Discovered my skullduggery and made a bee line for the house where my uncle was working on the porch. She insisted he come down to look at the tracks. At first he laughed at her and refused.... she persisted and once she got him down to the garden he exploded for her to get back to the house and he herded her back as he went to fetch his rifle. After retrieving the rifle and heading back to the garden he told her to call the Sheriff. My aunt instead decided to call her sister.... my mom first. Who was in on the prank. While jabbering quite excitedly about strange tracks in the garden my mom could no longer take it and erupted in laughter. Luckily the law was never called for my sake One thing I learned from that night was that stomping around in soft dirt wasnt as easy as you would think. At least to produce a believeable stride length. And I would have never attempted it with those slick pine boards in snow. I still have one of the stompers in my barn.

I don't believe in solving mysteries by adding to them. So lets set the paranormal stuff aside. Lets stick with what we do know. Chimps and Humans have cohabited together for thousands of years. Chimps will become nocturnal to avoid Humans and raid crops. Chimps have not figured out how to make or use tools other than rudimentary sticks to fish for termites. A Homo Erectus flaked hand axe is far far beyond their capabilities. It may as well be an Atom bomb. Im not saying Sasquatch is a Chimp. But it may adopt a similar strategy when faced with a dominant Human population within their range. Who knows? Maybe in SE Alaska where few Humans exist? Sasquatch could be diurnal instead of nocturnal. They are probably nocturnal closer to Human populations by necessity. Even humans in dire times will change their normal habits. https://www.cowboysindians.com/2016/02/the-last-free-apaches/

Upvoted. No worries - it's a bit hard keeping all these terms in mind - and truth is - I don't even know what to call this thing either. I just fall back on the generic "Cave man." Not exactly great taxonomy on my part - but hey - it works for me.

Probably not, but I bet they can brachiate better than the most nimble guerrillas out there......

Sorry. Within the context of my debate with Arvedis. I used the term “Ape” to include Humans and Human ancestories. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae I should have used the term Hominidae. I know you and I have debated where within that family Sasquatch resides....closer to Humans or to Great Apes or something in between. That wasn't my intent in this thread.

I promise I only did it once to relatives on private property as a prank. As an adult my only goal is to get to the truth.....not muddy the waters. But Im actually glad now I did do the prank because it gives me some experience as to what is easily hoaxed and what is not. Look at the mystery this way PG? IF Patty is real? Then she leaves footprints of her passing in the forest. If Patty is real? Not every trackway encountered is a hoax. Thats logic. I CANNOT PROVIDE SCIENCE WITH A BODY AS A HUNTER UNLESS I FOLLOW GOOD SIGN. So with that said? Am I more inclined to invest a lot of time hunting at a spot where I found one track in some mud with boot prints and tire tracks close by? Or am I going to invest my time on a trackway that has 1100 tracks in it in snow that crosses rough terrain and barb wire fences seemingly with ease? Which one is vastly easier to hoax? My 1984 pine board stompers would not have got the job done in Bossburg in 1969. Not in snow. I would have slipped and fell alot. Especially the more you try to lengthen the stride and navigate obstacles like fences. When I pranked my relatives? I carrried the stompers to the garden, put em on, walked in the soft dirt, made a loop and left the way I came, sitting down and taking the off. No way I could have accomplished this in snow. Because any idiot could then see my boot prints to the edge of the garden. The sign I left sitting down to put them on, the loop of stomper tracks in the garden, and then sitting back down to take them off and the boot tracks leaving the area. I get really interested when I see Sasquatch tracks with absolutely no sign of humans anywhere close by. But personally have only encountered it once in my life in deep snow. And was too young to do anything about it.

Hiflier you are awesome and funny. Norse you are one cool dude. I was wrong to dismiss Meldrum as an expert in primate locomotion. I Am biased because as I said being a scientist I know his type in all fields. So do my peers. He is an attention hound as we like to call them. I am very surprised you faked tracks. Thanks for sharing that. We may disagree on the authenticity of the faked tracks, but we certainly agree on the proof is only achieved by a body on a slab. It has to bother you that no DNA, no scat,no fossils here in America, no roadkill, no nothing but anecdotal evidence. All this time before and after the PGF and it remains the best ever.

There. I fixed it for you.