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Or there are very few. One argument Ive never understood is that intelligence will hide you......even in places like the suburbs of Chicago. Even if a creature adopts a completely nocturnal lifestyle? What does it do about street lamps? Security cameras? Traffic? An 800 lbs appetite? The explanations to explain away why we do not observe these things readily get more and more and more complex.....and quite frankly..... out there. I think in many cases Bigfoot is not there and some Bigfootmania with researchers hooting and banging on trees is to explain for much of the evidence. With some hoaxing thrown in. You have to stand in your local forest and ask yourself IF a breeding population of 800 lbs Apes, Apemen, Cavemen, Omnivore mammals, Humans, COULD sustain themselves within it without being seen often 12 months out of the year, year after year after year. Another question is if other key large species still reside there or have they been snuffed out? I dont think a 300 acre park surrounded by corn fields cuts the mustard. You would know pronto if a troupe of Bigfeet moved into your corn field. Stealth and intelligence only go so far.

Yes, I'd think that the family group/clan is a characteristic of these things. As you said, reports of BF are almost nation-wide - meaning - they too come from a significant breeding population. The size of the clan that we shared that mountain with numbered at least seven - as that's how many pairs of eyes we lit up the night they came for the deer they'd badly hurt, and we'd shot to put it out of its misery. But we'd only spot one at a time during light hours, on four occasions. I'd suggest that in areas in the east, for example - they may not have the more defined valleys, but a lot of eastern areas have something else. Game AND agriculture. Lots of game, and lots of agriculture. They have dense hollows, lots of areas defined by creeks, lakes, and rivers. I have no idea as to the size of a group's territory - but I'd assume it would match the population/game/agriculture available. They're not stupid - rather - pretty clever. My point is this - these things if not dumb animals - and what I believe to be some primitive relict species of some kind of caveman - are highly adaptable to their environment. They don't need what we would consider necessities. And I'd venture to suggest that whitetail deer are everywhere! Hogs are heavy in many areas of the Eastern US, low and high. Plentiful food in southern and eastern swamps - plenty of corn and soybeans in the midwest - plenty of wildlife and seafood in the salt marshes of the eastern US. You can take any Cajun - show him a ditch - and he'll come up with lunch. And as good as Cajuns are - these things are Master Scroungers. Oh. And they DO use rocks as tools of a sort. They can throw double-fist sized rocks with great accuracy. Small ones too.

Going on a hike tomorrow while the weather is nice out. Will be on the lookout for a missing hiker, Brad Dozier of Elk Grove CA. He has been missing since Saturday and does know the area and has survival skills. Can't imagine how someone with his experience can go missing. They haven't said if he had a gun, probably not. He dropped his daughter off at her college and drove up from the west side of the Sierra's and started his hike around 10 AM. I've been hiking this area since way back in the 80s and couldn't get lost if I'd tried. A fall over a cliff, cardiac arrest, or animal attack would be my guess. Hopefully he is found alive and well. Here's a bfro report from the area of some tracks. http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=12818 P.S. in the bfro report it said they came across the tracks in the Fall in October. Well it's Fall and October!

Here's another weird event at the Gift Tree, and maybe I have been forgiven for putting the audio & video recorders out there months back. Finally took another PB Jar, knocked the BF action figure out of the basket, and left me a gift. The gift was a nasty fresh hide of of some poor critter, maybe a Possum......gift and/or message?

I got things to do ya' know, trees to climb, bananas to eat, all that.

Haven't been here in ages, but this thread has been entertaining to say the least. Due entirely to my contrarian nature - to the OP - I'll make a few observations. First, I don't think they're migratory or perpetually wandering. Any canny man living in wild country that gets cold knows to set aside food supplies gathered in Summer and Fall. They also know to range and hunt far from their winter quarters - leaving the nearby game alone - as it's hard to hunt in the winter, and the closer game is to your winter quarters - the easier your life will be. Meaning - I think they're largely territorial - they may make a three or four day loop hunting - hitting some areas only once every three to four days - however large that territory would be - it would depend on terrain. Their Summer hunting areas will probably be just a bit different than their Winter quarters - maybe they'll hunt in the next valley over - even at higher elevations - and leave the game alone in the next valley over where they have Winter quarters. Normally, I'd never postulate one way or the other on whether these things are some kind of apes or something else - but I know they're not apes. No guessing, I know. Which would be why they're so adept at avoiding those whom they wish to avoid. They're smart. They have tactical excellence. They're finely attuned to their environment. They also have the ability to hide in plain sight. And have the patience of Job. They don't panic. The ape-believing crowd will go ape-**** at that concept - but none of them ever got a really close-up look at their faces. And it's not just me. Native Americans often refer to them as forest people, or forest men, or wild men - and through the ages in multiple cultures - they're often called variations of a wild man. The popular belief in these things being apes - is pushed by scientists - who by their own fabricated "science" and faulty history of man - they cannot allow for any type of cave man to still exist. They dug their hole, deep, and now they're stuck in it. I'd further suggest that if a person sees one, or if that one is making a racket - you're already flanked by others you don't see and aren't aware of - and you should really keep checking your six o'clock position. And while they may be spotted singly most often - I am firmly convinced that they live in family groups, or clans - and they can and do work with others from neighboring families or clans. Which also assists in maintaining a healthy breeding population - which must be really significant. We humans 'own' the day - they've apparently adapted and certainly 'own' the night.