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I don't mind a little personal chaffing but the missus didn't like that remark. I'm having to hold her back. Not only would they have to be a very small population, that very small population would have to be very good at staying away from humans. The hide and seek champs as they say.

James33, All those are really good questions that I fear will go unanswered for a long time. I was in the camp that it was fun to think of such a creature - but it just didn't exist., and even then, it would only make me think about it when it would be mentioned by someone else or some reference in passing. I never gave them a thought. When I came face to face with one - all that changed. Since I've come to that realization - I recognize that most of these questions come from those who don't KNOW. They're trying to believe something, but can't get there because it makes no sense. They get to worrying about how many there are, how they keep from being found, no bodies found in the wild, how do they possibly eat being so large, if they migrate - why aren't they more easily detected, how to they make do without tools, how do they survive harsh weather, etc., etc., etc. They want to believe - they may think they believe - but belief is BS. Belief is entirely in your head - a mental condition. So they worry over the facts like a dog worries over a bone. They want to believe, but they have doubts - they want the answers to questions that can't be answered. Because of one thing. They assume this thing is like them - or the opposite - very unlike them. They can't mentally accept these things for what they actually are - without measuring it against human limitations, preferences, and requirements. Thus the calorie analysis - which means crap. Population sized - based on human needs and perceptions - which means crap. Food sources - based on human needs and requirements - which means crap. Why don't they use tools - like we'd find useful - which means crap. Their measuring post is wrong. The foundation for comparisons - is wrong. These are NOT human, and while some will blow that off and say "obviously," they continue to compare their needs and capabilities by human needs and capabilities. I got some bad news. They're not human - and their needs or abilities - are nothing like human needs and abilities. Cows, horses, etc., can eat and get fat on grass - only because they have a different digestive system - AND enzymes we don't have. Termites can eat wood - cellulose - and break it down quite well - and there's more BTU's of energy in wood than BTU's in grass - although the 'calorie count' wouldn't compute. What they eat, what they can digest - we don't know - and to do a calorie requirement based on size in relation to a human calorie requirement is just BS. I've lived and worked for extended times in polar conditions, arctic conditions, tundra conditions, alpine conditions, savannah conditions, southern swamp conditions, eastern forest conditions, triple canopy jungle conditions - anything you can name - I've worked and lived, and functioned under those conditions. I did without what most everyone would consider necessary. I've been without water for three days and three nights. I ate every third day - not three times a day. I've gone a full seven days and nights with not one bite to eat - only water. And that's just me - and you adapt, you get by. You make it work. Their large size does not constitute a significant disadvantage in getting noticed. Their hair reflects zero light. In combat, we'd come upon a larger force - and once all we could do in the moment was to bend forward at the waist. It was enough to break up our "normal" silhouette. We've had these 8-foot critters hide from us completely undetected in 14-16" mountain flowers. Only to note them when we turned our back, when they'd take off. Masters of hiding. A lot of what worries others - aren't even factors to consider. They are what they are.

The Bluff Creek area was a wilderness prior to 1950. There was very little infiltration before the logging roads were built into the area. Gold prospectors, perhaps, a century before, bu5 clearly no roads. Immediately upon roads were built into the area, contact was made. The contact was regular for over ten years before the PG film, and it waned slowly until reports petered out a few years later. So what happened? I think that the family/group that habituated the area both died out a bit and the leftovers moved on to another area that was quieter. They clearly prefer areas with few humans.

Started my hike at ten this morning and went directly off trail for a total of 6 miles in the Eastern Sierra's. I was probably 5 air miles or so from the missing hiker which I will post a link where I can follow any updates or information. I was able to get somewhat of a feeling by being out there at the same time he started his hike and far from my vehicle on how he might of felt as the sun was getting lower. I feel that the missing hiker went way too far and didn't give himself enough time to get back to his vehicle before night from. I'm guessing he panicked as it started getting cold and raced to make up time. In doing so, there's a good chance he injured himself. Night time temperatures have been below 32 degrees. Today I was doing some research and wanted to stay out of the search area, but still kept an eye out for him. If they don't find him and the search is cancelled, I will go west of Burnside Lake and search west of there and do some zigzags to see if I can find some signs of him, don't think they would have searched that far east. https://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/missing-hiker-carson-pass-area-t87414.html

You saw TWO! Sorry! You have to go to the back of the line now! *tips hat* Sorry Ma’am....... I think.

It doesnt matter if you have a IQ of 1000? If your starving your starving! And a 800 lbs frame is not going to be easy to keep feed. It takes a large grocery bill to feed a body that large. And when your starving your not appealing to the higher functioning portions of your brain. Your appealing to the primal lizard part of your brain that doesn't care how you get it done.... just get it done. A Bear going through the side of a camper to get to a pizza box comes to mind here.

This. According to the vast majority of sightings, they never "run" away when they are seen by humans. If anything it seems like they are disinterested and just walk away. They don't seem to be afraid of humans at all, and you'd think that if they had access to a farmer's field of readily available food, they'd take advantage of it to the point of the farmer noticing. To those who suggest it's smart enough to leave it alone or to only take a little so as to remain unnoticed, I think that is making them WAY too intelligent. If they are smart enough to do that, they are approaching human levels of intelligence and that simply doesn't fit their profile at all. i.e. living in the woods, sleeping on the ground, foraging berries and killing a wild hog or deer, hollering in the middle of the night, and banging on trees.

Or there are very few. One argument Ive never understood is that intelligence will hide you......even in places like the suburbs of Chicago. Even if a creature adopts a completely nocturnal lifestyle? What does it do about street lamps? Security cameras? Traffic? An 800 lbs appetite? The explanations to explain away why we do not observe these things readily get more and more and more complex.....and quite frankly..... out there. I think in many cases Bigfoot is not there and some Bigfootmania with researchers hooting and banging on trees is to explain for much of the evidence. With some hoaxing thrown in. You have to stand in your local forest and ask yourself IF a breeding population of 800 lbs Apes, Apemen, Cavemen, Omnivore mammals, Humans, COULD sustain themselves within it without being seen often 12 months out of the year, year after year after year. Another question is if other key large species still reside there or have they been snuffed out? I dont think a 300 acre park surrounded by corn fields cuts the mustard. You would know pronto if a troupe of Bigfeet moved into your corn field. Stealth and intelligence only go so far.

Relative to the skin. Is it likely that they have observed you examining animal remains before? I always examined deer kills in the field in my research area to try determine signs of cause of death. Eventually a deer carcass was placed by the drivers door side of my truck. When I was in the field with BigTreeWalker he took some time to examine a rabbit skeleton he found during our trip. We both stood and looked at it as he looked for signs of toothmarks etc. Hours later when we returned to our vehicles, prominently placed right behind my truck on a large rock, was a bookend that was a metal rabbit. Neither of us noticed it when we left to start field work. I like you, wondered if that was a gift or sign but quite frankly in both of our cases, I think it a primitive way to communicate. In their mind perhaps they think because we examine in something, they provide it because they think we are interested in that sort of thing. If they can associate a rabbit skeleton with a metal rabbit bookend, we are dealing with a sentient being. Not only sentient but one that desires to show you that they are.

Hello, fellow ape. You want me to throw a rock at him?

One ape waving to all the other apes, out there.

Booooo! Hiissssss!