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Ok....where in the world were the results shared that said nothing existed? I was linked to a series of 9 podcasts....if this was released only on a podcast and nothing else....it leads me to believe this crap is nothing more than a con for people to get hits for advertising dollars and simply makes the whole subject look shitty.

Simple question, where is Disotell's report then--- in the degraded trashbin of Gozer, In the https://www.isu.edu/rhi/ ? If not, where? I don't believe this crew would deep six negative results or equivocal findings and defer to a podcast!? Discussion of results on a podcast is lower than making up your own journal electronically, calling it defunct, then buying it and making it seem like you were doing an independent review because you were spurned by the world's best scientfiic journals. Really? And not a gig but I did say that the project was right but Disotell was the wrong man, who is to say the samples were degraded without a report? *crickets*

I get your frustration. Aside from my own "class B" experience and the PGF being very compelling but not exactly conclusive, Bigfoot science is rubbish.

If you look at the 14 November post with the picture of the nest being examined there is what looks like a calendar with pictures of horses on the wall. Whoever owns the building where the nest was examined is a horse lover or owner. Unless you are into horses you would not have a horse calendar. I would guess that is what introduced the horse DNA vector into the testing. Sloppy science at work.

I knew what you were driving at, just wanted to point out that the nuclear DNA wouldn't be like some alien never before seen kind of stuff. I'm tired of people who think BF DNA couldn't be detected in testing like this because we don't have a specimen to compare it to. It's simply not true if bigfoot exists and it's not human. If it is, then we'll get results like this every time and we'll have to find cause and funding to once again go deep into nuclear DNA studies and we would need fresh flesh to do that, but not necessarily a complete body. Find a fresh birthing bed and we'd be in business. We have computer programs to search through an entire genome, but getting an entire genome from the sample and with confidence that it is complete and pure takes a lot of replication. Science would then take years to suss out what all the differences are and what their origins could be. The Y chromosome would be a prime location to target the most telling information from the paternal lineage. That's where the rainbow ends and the pot of gold sits..

Whats foul about it? They made a study and when it was done they posted the results...... Unfortunately the results are not in our favor. I dont see anyone being played. You win some and you lose some. If we dont like how another organization did things? Well then create your own organization, raise the money and do things to your own expectations. Occam's razor requires us to conclude Bigfeet made those structures..... why no.....no it does not. The quickest path to resolution is not a cryptid ape man. Mick Dodge is proven to exist. Mick Dodge has been proven to hoax Bigfoot. Maybe Mick Dodge made the nests? Maybe thats why the test results came back Human?

^^^ He'll be back in a couple of weeks....

I am going to do for me a very tough thing. I am going to leave the Forum. For how long I don't know. I thought the nesting site looked promising but for some strange reason (and I MEAN that) the samples got botched. Not because the results didn't show a novel primate but because they were ALLOWED to degrade when people KNEW that samples needed to be fresh. So in truth, I think there has to be something else going on there. I will publically state that I no longer trust how things got handled on that project and no longer trust the reasons we are given as to why the samples were delayed. I do not like thinking it was intentional. It shouldn't have taken nearly four years to run e-DNA testing I don't care what anyone says. I don't care anymore whether it was a Sasquatch or a Human that built those structures. I Just don't. What I DO care about is a straight, honest, and consistent story. There isn't one. Where is Derek Randles? Where is Shane Corson? Where is Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, Where is Dr. Todd Disotell? I get to hear the news on the results where? Podcast interviews. Why hasn't anyone come onto this Forum and told us straight out? What gives with that? Well, I have had it with the stupid cat and mouse crap. This is supposed to science at work on thee structures and this is how they conduct themselves? I am done with them. Don't trust them. and don't trust their methodology when it comes to how utterly important this is, and has been, to so many. Just where are all of these people? I am fed up with the whole thing. Too many loose ends at the site and too much time wasted when time was of the essence. And no good answers to any of it as far as why it all got dragged out for over three and a half years. I have a hard time thinking it was done that way just to sell more tickets to a few conferences. I am not the least bit angry about any of how this whole thing has been handled. I am however absolutely dumbfounded and simply do not understand any of it. I don't want to think the worst, but at this point there is little to make me think of anything good. There is definitely something wrong with this picture.

I'll take your word on that bluegrass, but that wouldn't necessarily mean that the nuclear DNA wouldn't still be 98.5 percent identical to modern humans as a hypothetical guess based on what we know about other apes and their proximity to us genetically.

I am actually glad that nests that big were not found with strange feathers in them. Something pointing to giant birds or dinosaurs would sure keep me out of the woods.

I'm thinking maybe some people didn't get the jist of my last post. For one thing I don't base any of my thoughts about sasquatch on belief. Belief is for religion. I base what I know on what I myself have seen, discovered and learned from my own experience. I want to know everything they did find and see if they missed any of the usual animals in the area. That would tell me how effective the eDNA test actually is. I believe Meldrum and Disotell both mentioned the samples being old as if that's the possible reason why sasquatch was missed. They got everything else they mentioned so why would sasquatch be an exception? They did get human. I have to wonder if people who think that bears are the explanation have spent any time in bear country. I'm sorry but that's not bear behavior. They break branches and trees. They rake sticks and leaves together to lay on sometimes. But they don't pick branches off bushes and make large nests in large numbers. So according to the eDNA, that leaves humans. So we have big humans making nests. I say big because that's what it would take to do what was done to the bushes with bare hands. Just like the big humans that ate the raw meat off the elk bones we found and piled them. Because the behavior again was human but from the size of the teeth they were also big. The only answer I can come up with is that we have yet to find the differences in DNA between us and what sure appears to be giants with human behavior. I know what hiflier has been getting at all along is, what did build the nests, how did they do it, and why did they do it. Because even if you don't want to 'believe' in bigfoot, the nests are still there and do need an explanation. At least if you have that scientific mindset.

A little correction here , mitochondria are not "simple bacteria" but organelles ( structures) in all cells that provides energy to cell via respiration. I still do not understand why the hairs found were simply not vetted and then sequenced both for MtDNA and WGS (whole genome). It would be interesting if a another lab came up with similar findings as MK study....

I agree, It does matter "where" in the genome you are looking for differences. I would hazard to guess that this E-DNA test is using a single well studied gene common to all mammals and is specifically used for species Identity, "Barcode Analysis" . It won't likely find bigfoot if bigfoot has human mtDNA. Of coarse that would mean a hybridized species. It doesn't take a big difference in the Nuclear DNA to account for Bigfoots physical differences however. The problem is that the nuclear genome is about 3 billion base pairs long, and finding the key differences to explain the physiological difference is an immense task.

If Neanderthal DNA is readily distinguishable from modern human DNA, and according to (some experts) could pass for human if dressed in modern clothing, how is it possible that an 8 to 10 foot hair covered ape like humanoid would have DNA that could be confused for modern human? That does not seem logical to me.

I do not think time degradation can be used as an excuse . These links are from Cliff's site and has to do with the nests in question. The link Cliff gives to eDNA tests being used in cave soil from different sites identified Denosovian, Neanderthal, Wooly rino, Wooly Mammoth, Cave Bear dna and the sediment layer was 90,000 years old. There was some degradation but all these were still identifiable according to the scientists. https://cliffbarackman.com/sasquatch-nest-edna-study/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/04/ancient-dna-sediment-neanderthal-denisovan/524433/

All right then! ( I should have guessed!). Looks like I'm off to renew my Premium Membership! Thanks!

If these were Bigfoot nests, the results simply mean that the samples were not taken soon enough and the DNA degraded. Better luck next time...

The fact you think this is vindication is telling. The way science is reading this is that there is nothing novel here at all. So as far as Im concerned it vindicates my position of being pro kill. We need a type specimen and thats all there is to it. Only then will the truth be revealed to us. Or the creature simply continues to officially not exist.

I would like to see that list of what they did find there at the nest sites. Dr Disotell even mentioned horse DNA which he assumed was there from site contamination by humans. I would like to see if some of the usual suspects are there or missing from that list; elk and deer for example. He mentioned bear and several smaller animals. But if there is some of the usual animals missing from that list then they didn't get everything in the area. However, I don't know how there is any possibility to miss sasquatch, if they did indeed build those nests, considering whomever built them spent a lot of time in the area. So we have a conundrum. No bigfoot DNA, but there is human DNA. I'm with the bear experts saying that bears didn't do it. I can't put all my experience and expertise on the subject behind me and ignore it. So what's the answer? And to me old samples doesn't cut it! Since they found so many other things. Natfoot: episode 9 https://www.foxtopus.ink/wildthing/listen

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It is conceivable that you experienced a source of infra-sound. Thats a sound frequency below 20 hz. We typically can't hear this range but we might hear it's effects on other ambient sounds. Heart beats are well below 20 hz so that could be why it's similar. Was the sound like ....thump thump ............thump thump...........or was it like woooossshh ...wooosshhh......woooosshhh with equal pauses in between?

This smells like a setup thread to advance the PM and SRR, just kidding. You have forced my hand, I am signing up this next week for PM.

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Camera was likely set up to observe deer coming to piles of corn. Photo appears to be tightly cropped from a larger image. Encircled image appears to be an owl diving ,likely toward rodent at bait site. Owl's wings and tail feathers flared slightly. Deer between camera and owl spooked by fast and silently approaching owl. Tip of birds right wing overlaps edge of the big tree image. Body feathers fluffed while slowing dive speed.

BobbyO, You're welcome. It is interestin', from Wikipedia : The eastern gorilla is more darkly coloured than the western gorilla, with the mountain gorilla being the darkest of all. The mountain gorilla also has the thickest hair. The western lowland gorilla can be brown or grayish with a reddish forehead. In addition, gorillas that live in lowland forests are more slender and agile than the more bulky mountain gorillas. The eastern gorilla also has a longer face and broader chest than the western gorilla. Although I believe there has only been one white gorilla that I know of, a western lowland gorilla Snowflake. It has been suggested his albinism was due to inbreedin'. Pat...