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Certainly. This: Do you have any idea how inhumanly cold blooded that sounds? That answers your own question better than I ever could. I choose not to participate in murder. If a body is required for proof, and I think it likely is, then proving oversteps my ethical boundaries. The ends do not justify the means. MIB

I find it a little strange that you would be so meticulous about leaving the bones of their dead undisturbed, but have no problem killing a live one for it's body, including bones. Seems that it might be even more disturbing to them. Where is the rationality in that???

I could easily initiate or participate in cold blooded murder under the right circumstances, then peacefully go to sleep that evening. It's the Dietrich Bonhoeffer question: is murder ever justified? By the time the German pastor and theologian answered that question for himself enough to participate in assassination attempts on Adolph Hitler, it was way too late, and scores of millions of "innocent" people were killed. But kill a rare hominin in order to prove its existence to a cabal of hard headed people who should be actively researching the question themselves, and who would turn right around after you did so and serve you up to the lawyer class, take your specimen, and pompously profess all their knowledge about it as if they were on board all along? No way. Those guys can kiss my back pants pocket.

So, SB, are you saying that it's not proper to disturb some bones that are buried, but it's fine to kill a living, human-like being?

That's very, very perceptive of you. I have high confidence that you are spot on. The Shasta area is the moutainous link between the Sierra Nevada mountains to the southeast and the Cascade Range to the northwest over the northern limit of the Sacramento Valley. The Shasta area mountains keep the Sierra Nevadas from being isolated by major valleys filled with people. There are similar possible migration routes between the Cascades and Coast Range to the north, especially in British Columbia. Ditto mountainous routes to the Rockies in BC. The forested area of Hwy 299 between Redding and Hwy 89 (and between the two volcanoes, Shasta and Lassen) appears to be a north/south crossing route. The area of I-5 in the mountains (and around the lake) between Redding and the Oregon border appears to be the east/west crossing.

It takes a hard heart to kill. I think your a hunter and so you understand that principle. Your disconnect comes with biology. The end DO justify the means. Science and human understanding of the universe depend on it. Science is a specimen collector. Animals, plants, rocks, etc. What flabbergasts me is that Bigfooters some how do not believe that this principle applies in this instance. When in reality it’s the opposite. You may get by with a photo of a new species of Amazon ant. We will get the specimen in due time. No big deal. An 8 ft ape man roaming the US forests? You better have proof in spades. And I think it’s the only ethical thing to do. What’s unethical is leaving cryptid animals outside the framework of conservation and protection of the vast government bureaucracy that supposed job is to protect it.

Interesting, we visit this area alot, we have family in redding, ca. https://goo.gl/maps/ELHKVDRm2giEGCPQA Area around Shasta MT. I have hiked the area many times... gone bush whacking, off the beaten trails... Everyone out there as a BF story to tell.. I havent seen or heard anything out there. but the locals say they are there. But that area is very heavily traveled. Which tends me to believe it is a Migration area east and maybe north of shasta. Plenty of big game in there so food isnt a problem And heavily Logged.......

I keep the pictures with animals, say deer or elk, in various locations in the field of view. Comparisons can be done with these as well.

I am always down for a body and believe me if a creature ever gets within my cross hairs I am going to drop it. I will do it with my rifle and will do it with my bow and with my cross bow. My hope is that it will be done with my cross bow since it is so silent and deadly and that it will go through it's body. It might bleed awhile as it runs away but it will not run far if the shot is placed right. I love the silence of the cross bow or the bow and they both have great penetration through thick bone.

I would not share good photo/video evidence online until I am certain proving existence is the correct action. I might show someone images on my computer, but I would not send them to another person nor post them online ... essentially would not relinquish absolute control of the media until I am ready for everyone to have it w/o restriction. What I do with my evidence is MY choice, there are no other "votes." Nobody is entitled to anything. MIB

I've occasionally perused wilderness areas online and considered them good locations for review as sasquatch habitat, although it's clear that they are seen in logged areas. Some wilderness areas have previously been logged. The largest wilderness area in the Lower 48 states (Frank Church Wilderness Area in Idaho) is crisscrossed with older logging roads. Some smaller such areas (Three Sisters in Oregon) have valleys of untouched old growth, but are heavily hiked by the public, and don't really boast many sasquatch reports. Misty Fiords in southeast Alaska appears to be the Holy Grail. It is almost entirely untouched old growth, and boasts natural foods galore from salmon and clams on untouched beaches and streams to deer and mountain goats along with grouse and small game. There are no roads within it or to it. Access is by bush plane landing on a beach at low tide or boat anchored in a cove from Ketchikan or Prince Rupert. Snow load is low, rainfall is high. Black bear densities are among the highest on the continent, and brown bear densities are extremely low to non-existent. Human population is so low as to be essentially non-existent, and even human visitation is almost non-existent. It is nearly the size of the state of Connecticut.

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Nice pics and 'story' of your trip, Kiwakwe! Glad you made it out and in one piece. It takes intrepid travelers such as yourself and your co-conspirator to explore the mysteries of the universe.

That second picture looks like an owl looking at you that is on the ground that might have killed it's prey. If I had a dog come back with me like that one and it was so submissive I might of kept it as a pet. All I can say is that it sure had a big neck when it was sitting by the rock. The way it had it's head lowered seemed like it was trying to be submissive with that one year lowered while it was still alert. This dog must have been domesticated by someone at some point in it's life and was surprised to see you. I would of loved to have a dog like that one in my yard. Not sure if my Shepherd would get along with him though.

if they look like his then they are hoaxed.

A co-conspirator and I just made our third trip out to Skinwalker Ridge. The first account is in here somewhere, the second was back in January, across a snow blanketed mesa top under foggy sun which added some interest. And zooming in on the above photo afterwards i saw this "critter" peering over the rocks ( i added eyes to illustrate!): And then made our way down to just above the ranch: No anomalies experienced on that snowy trip, just a nice day out on the ridge. Yesterday's venture had the ridge under sun and whipped by wind. Quite a few desert flowers in bloom too. If familiar with the goings on or the "went ons" at the ranch, you'll know the Gorman's experience of the 4.5' tall bulletproof black wolf. With that in mind, we were quite surprised to see this thing staring at us from 120 yards away as we dropped down below the 2nd tier of ridge. I've found size hard to gauge when in canyon country, distance can be deceiving and boulders that seem similar in size to a car have often turned out to be closer to that of a house. This guy looked every bit the 4.5' at the shoulder from where we stood.(This with a 70-200mm at 260mm equivalent with aps-h.) Convinced we were seeing the invincible yee naaldlooshii, we were frozen with sheer terror and did the only rational thing-- unfroze and walked over to investigate. It had disappeared in the interim of getting there. As we stood on the "rim" looking across to the point where it was last seen we debated how to approach. If not a murderous guardian of the in-between worlds then maybe it was a guard dog from the ranch trained to shred interlopers. Regardless, we didn't want to meet it on the rocky slope below us so we whistled for it, surely skinwalkers answer to whistles...at least this one did: As he drew closer we watched him shapeshift down into less formidable size right in front of us! He ambled over, let us pet him and promptly rolled over for a belly rub. He had us fooled and knew it. He stayed with us all afternoon leading us off into the wilds down along the ridge as their kind are wont to do....(most who follow are never heard from again)....finally leading us back to the car, he knew where it was, a mile and a half away, just after sun down. He made a great companion, never uttered a peep. He would take some of our sandwitches but would have no part of water, seemed afraid of it really, probably characteristic of yee naaldlooshii. A beautiful day on the Path of the Skinwalker. And down at the ranch with the heli-pad and the trailer where Tom Gorman's prized bulls were "corralled": One of the 3 watchtowers:

Why do you think I've been emailing!?!? Why does anyone? Because I truly think Sasquatch is worth standing up and fighting for. I have been raising my hand and my head to agencies just for that purpose. With all due respect to you, Norseman and everyone else, I don't believe in "maybe something will go our way." I've been trying to seriously force the issue into the open since January. This is from one of my own state regional biologists "We are not sure they don't exist." A true statement that I received live over the phone! The person actually called ME, not the other way round. Isn't that enough to motivate someone, anyone, to begin their own program of emailing and talking to their respective state F&W?? Now someone can poo-poo that response but I don't and won't and you know why? Because I opened the door to future dialogue. People here said it would never happen and they were WRONG. It took time and persistence but I at least got the ball rolling. It can work because it did work. Was the answer definitive, Nope. But I am hopeful that a definitive answer will eventually come. Because that phone call isn't the end of the road by any means. But it was an important step. It took about three and a half months of patience to get that phone call. But it's a dang sight better than 51 years in my book. Now I know what people are going to say, "way to go, hiflier, good for you" but they probably still won't lift a finger to a keyboard or a phone for themselves even after knowing now that it can work. They'll still blame me for being a bully as an excuse for whatever it is that they won't do and make it all about me. All I can say is grow a pair. Because this isn't about me and never was- it's about Sasquatch and always has been. You want to save these magnificent creatures? Then do what ever it takes to save them and that includes contacting officials.