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https://www.trails.com/us/wa/colville-river/sherman-creek-and-log-flume-heritage-site Hiked around the log flume site today with nitro in my pocket. Suffered heart attack #2 last saturday. Trying to keep the legs swinging. Not easy with vertigo. What a year.

I know this is a sightings thread, but there has been a fair bit of talk regarding DNA - and I don't follow the DNA observations. I will add some of own ideas regarding DNA with the hope that discussion will enlighten me. I want to counterbalance somewhat the negative attitudes on this forum toward the single Sasquatch DNA study with which I am most familiar. I have difficulty understanding the averse stance (I would like to be able to say counter arguments – but I have read none) to the Melba S. Ketchum et al. 2012 paper Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies – even among the intelligent, articulate knowers of Sasquatch that deserve my respect on this forum. I am shocked by the promulgation of untruths regarding facts contained in the study and having to do with Ketchum’s qualifications and the methodology used in the study. I get the impression that Ketchum opponents have only read some headlines or perhaps have only read apostate comments, which they then regurgitate. I encourage anyone that wishes to familiarize themselves with the current status regarding Sasquatch DNA study to just read the paper. Or for a simplified summary look to Scott Carpenter’s website. Finally Christopher Noel long ago took a position with which I agree, and he stated that position more eloquently than I would likely be able to. My disclaimer: I do not know Melba Ketchum. I am just a retired scientist, with advanced degrees in paleobiology, that is of the opinion that proof of the existence of an as yet unaccepted hominin is in our hands. (See the links below) Link to the entire Ketchum et al. Sasquatch DNA paper (available on line for many years with, amazingly, no paywall): http://sasquatchgenomeproject.org/sasquatch_genome_project_002.htm At this link one can also view in entirety: The first round of reviews by reviewers for the journal Nature (with replies) The second round of reviews by reviewers for the journal Nature (with replies) The Ketchum appeal letter to the executive board of Nature Peer reviews from the journal JAMEZ (with replies) Email from the journal PLOS. Reading the Ketchum paper peer reviews triggered the memory of peer review torture to which I was subjected many times in an earlier part of my life (now thankfully far in my past). For Scott Carpenter’s summary of the Ketchum paper with description of the papers acceptance, and subsequent rejection, for publication here is a link: http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com/ And if one would like to read what I feel is a brief defense of the Ketchum paper try Christopher Noel’s note: https://cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/the-ketchum-dna-study-one-year-later/

Thanks for the links!! Seems like the more we know, the less sure we get about the things we thought we knew. MIB

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/08/homo_erectus_a_/

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2017/04/29/the-first-humans-in-america-may-not-have-been-homo-sapiens

Weird apparent vocalization. It was low and "gravelly" but extremely extremely loud. My recollection is it had a very slight "blue shift" then "red shift" in pitch. The first thing I mentally locked into was a log truck coming downhill on compression and rounding a corner, first coming towards me (blue shift) then going away (red shift). There was no shriek, no scream, no howl to it. The forest had been pretty noisy, birds, bugs, etc. It went dead silent but for the little creek by the trail, then after 3-5 seconds, the sound level built back up, but just for a second, everything stopped. In the moment, I thought I was "got". I was hiking a reasonably well traveled trail, traversing a steep slope, hill above and left, creek below and right, in a sort of clock-wise curve. I dropped / ducked to my left putting my left arm and shoulder into the bank, right knee to the ground, left knee up, and partially drew my pistol while scanning for "my attacker". As the sound rebuilt in the valley, I realized the source was a distance away, forward and left (NNW) and probably 3/4ths of a mile away. Just over a mile away there's a canyon of sorts formed by 3 mountains (cinder cones?) in a slight arc. In the mouth of the canyon, to the east a quarter mile or so is a 4th cone. Between the 3 and the 1 is a deep notch. I assumed whatever I'd heard came out of that canyon and vocalized from near the notch even though they're all just a little farther away than I thought, maybe about 1-1/4 miles. I ran trail cams in that notch for 2 seasons. Got deer, elk, bear, cougar, a wolf, weasel ... just normal forest critters. Near the end of that period, I was hiking out cross country and stumbled across a raised rock outcropping. It was perched over the edge of the canyon. It's almost exactly 3/4ths of a mile from where I heard that vocalization. If you climb up on the outcropping, which is easy from the back (west) side, and go to the drop-off facing east, you're at the focal point of a huge natural megaphone above the trees. It's a perfect layout for truly long distance vocalization projection. But ... what I heard wasn't a howl, it was a low gravelly sort of "ahhhh" roar. 2 months later I was hiking in the general area, this time with a recorder running. I heard, and recorded, seemingly the same thing apparently projected from a similar rock outcropping a couple miles away. This time the distances was about 2-1/4 miles across a fairly deep canyon with a river and waterfalls in between so the sound is a bit muted. Those two are much alike and are totally unlike anything I've ever heard in nature. I've run trail cams on both hoping whatever it was will return. I had mechanical issues with the trail cams (5 years old, left out all winter ... no surprise) last year and removed them but I have new cameras to install as soon as the snow allows. At 6000 and 6400 feet respectively, it will be around beginning of July before I can access the sites. The sounds were not good matches for any of the purported bigfoot vocalizations online. I truly don't know what it was. Oddly enough, I mentioned them to a friend from work that I bumped into at the rifle range. First thing he said was "gravelly". I have to talk to him again and find out how he connected the dots. Might know more than he is saying. MIB

I find it a little strange that you would be so meticulous about leaving the bones of their dead undisturbed, but have no problem killing a live one for it's body, including bones. Seems that it might be even more disturbing to them. Where is the rationality in that???