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This is the exact response I predicted when people would tell me they do not want them officially discovered because it would open them up to being wiped out. I would always say that the government would step in and that’s exactly what happened. Obviously a man ape would have other social, moral implications that a shark would not. But the doc is exactly the scenario I had envisioned. Also what I found interesting is that they thought they had them all figured out and then suddenly they were gone. Migrated else where. There was a study done on migrating mule deer in Wyoming that was happening right under sciences nose. Similar situation. Science is a powerful tool but they ego and dogma must be flogged out. We still do not know everything.

I like the Outlander, glad the lift did not disappoint. Is there a decent source of aftermarket equipment? Can you get aluminum skid plates? When i replace my "grocery getter" VW, I'd like to go with one of those. Sounds like a good choice in spots to explore too. I don't know if BC is the same but out here in UT, it seems if you don't have a giant RV with a "garage" or toy hauler for all your atvs/sidebysides you don't go outside. The forest roads are becoming race tracks for those things and their often obnoxious operators. I've a good sense that most would never be out there but for the fact they spent $25,000 on a toy and need to show the spouse they didn't waste the money.

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I caught this video this morning and was overwhelmed with the similarity of the story with sasquatchery. First, this is a classic industrial Hollywood environmental docu-drama. The last words of the show tell it all: "Will we discover the truth about them before it's too late?" Same old, same old. Second, and like usual, the industrial science guys were the last folks to get in on the act, despite the action taking place right under their noses, then when they did get involved, they spent BIG money (of course, we weren't told where they got that money, Mr. Taxpayer) to figure out that their front yard is a shark nursery. Thirdly, the first folks to know were private adventure divers who enjoyed their experiences quietly. Think "habbers". Fourthly, It was only when a single fisherman (among many fishing on the dock essentially in front of the scientists offices at the Seattle Aquarium) figured out that these things were there and how to catch them, and the divers raised Cain about this guy killing sharks, that the Science Guys got involved. Then the scientists (trying to figure out what was going on) used the fisherman's tactics (bait) to lure the sharks right up to their viewing windows where they then sold admission for folks to see them, just like a carnival operator. Fifthly, when the sharks disappeared, the Science Guys close out their show with their expected lines of mystery (justifying their everlasting plea for more study money), and their fears of mean, old fishermen killing them all off before they can study them to death (implying that the guy on the dock is as dangerous as Asian fin hunters killing sharks by the millions on the high seas). Kinda' makes me want to shoot a sasquatch as close to downtown Seattle as possible instead of southeast Alaska...........

That photo reminds me that I have to get the razor edge back onto my vintage machete Sheffield steel no less. Can't spend too much time on a hand or a head ya know.

Perfect description. Very polished. The population of the Elliott Bay 6 gilled shark was known about early on in the previous century. Typically. it stays in deep water. No one wanted them. There are smaller cousins that we call dogfish or mudsharks. There is a great story made popular by Frank Zappa. The Edgewater Hotel is on Elliott Bay, built over the water on steel pilings. Currently not allowed, they used to advertise that you could fish from your room. Led Zeppelin stayed there in July 1969 and caught a mudshark, reeled it up to their room and allegedly made a Super8 movie. The incident has been immortalized by Frank Zappa with "The Mud Shark". Led Zeppelin was banned from the Edgewater Hotel. The video shows scenes of a popular fishing dock on the west side of Elliott Bay. One needs a 'lift net' to get a fish up to dock level. I looked at the video in bits and pieces and did not notice anything about the ethnicity of the shark fisherman. Oriental fisherman pursue 'various' species. Shark is popular in the Orient. The video should have covered that as in shark fin soup, shark penis and shark liver and shark etc.. They also go gangbuster when the squid show up but get busted because a shellfish license is needed. The squids are sponges for PCB's. The most populous fish in Puget Sound is the ratfish. The scuba divers were unhappy with the sports fishermen at this dock. Divers entered the area where fishing was taking place and started to cut lines. Fisherman set up for heavy snagging and wailed on the divers, reeled them in. They were hooked bad. The divers were cited for being in a sports fishing zone. The 6 gilled shark does not mess with humans. The divers want to swim with and pet sharks. Anybody can do that these days. If they were good, they would swim with the giant squids. Side bar: The Edgewater Hotel is built over water on steel pilings. Years ago, there was a Navy ship in a shipyard on Harbor Island. I can't remember if it was Lockheed or TODD shipyard. The Navy ship was testing the sonar in the bulbous bow. The sonar was being transmitted across Elliott Bay and they pinged the steel pilings of the Edgewater. Ringing like a bell. It took awhile for the hotel people to figure that one out. The cure was to make an air bubble curtain in front of the bow. Good thing that we learned about air bubble curtains from whales.

Yes, this was in Oregon. The Cascade range. I am reasonably sure that we were alone up there. It's pretty "out there" where we were. Looking on Google Earth, there IS a road that goes down to the area we heard the sounds, and it IS a dead end, accessible from the same road we were on. We had seen no other vehicle up there all day. Now I suppose some folks could have been camping down there. In three different locations on the road. About a half mile to a mile apart, I would guess. With each camp having a dog that sounded just like the other two camps' dogs. And each camp not having a real "campground" but just a turnout on the side of the road. With no smoke at dinnertime. No access to the river. But that scenario, to me, while theoretically possible, seems nearly ridiculously unlikely. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Tw8HtTDsYZXMd_MHfgqiDQp3APq4V8L- That's the audio file. Actually a bunch of them in order of recording. They are amplified in Audacity, and trimmed. Each recording is separated by a 440Hz tone. Many times in these, the "bark" comes at the beginning of the clip because the recorder I have has a "buffer" where I can hear a sound and then hit the button and it has still recorded. Saves battery life somewhat. Sorry there are some loud noises of knocks and yells on occasion.

Yeah, pretty much. Could be better, because it is a seasonal pass-through location, not a place they stay long term, and no opportunity that I can see for habituation, but for what it is, it's pretty good. Occasional BF track finds as well as unidentified (maybe BF, maybe not) scat and vocalizations. Some electrical / magnetic anomalies at times. Its enough to keep the curiosity fires a-burnin'. The only negative is remoteness .. with a new GF, I have new demands on my time, so breaking away 4 hours of driving and 6-8 hours of hiking off-trail is harder than it used to be. She'll never be physically up to going. Because of that, I'm trying to identify newer closer places, but it's not because this current one lacks activity. MIB

I figure if they can imitate owls, bird call medleys, percussive drumbeats played once of an asymmetric bent, they can pretty much imitate a dog bark, wolf howl, coyote shriek, or anything else they set their mind too etc Heck Stan Courtney had them imitating weedeaters or chainsaws and no lyre birds within the continent! I have not heard of them imitating airhorns of semis or trains yet though?

Gotcha. No, sorry. It's not appropriate for me to share the content. Not bigfoot-related other than being from one person with a bigfoot interest to another. Thinking of the book, I think distribution may have been very limited, only a few hundred copies per printing and they seem to all be collectible at collector prices, not mass-marketing prices. Those are good books you list. I enjoyed The Locals and Valley of the Skookum. It is unfortunate that those trying to curry favor with the scientific establishment deliberately omit the weird found in the raw reports from the published version in order to present a false image of what they think is credibility. By selling out in that way, they do all witnesses and all people interested in the topic a gross disservice. It **is** part of the picture. I'm not sure we are going to understand bigfoot, what they are, what they aren't, when we're only willing to look at a fraction of the total picture. Certainly doing so has not produced results so far, and you know the saying about the definition of insanity being continuing to do the same failed thing expecting the results to change. We need to look at the reports, back-track to separate interpretation from observation, and see what explanations exist .. including deliberate misdirection. MIB

From IndieFoot: "This occurred in rural Mississippi they are familiar with their neighbors . Their claim was that there should not have been any dogs in the area. There are some barks there that are pretty low for coyotes."

They can't. Lol

Fascinating subject, panning and searching for gold. I'm ignorant of the subject, but still take great interest. Worthy of its own thread. Carry on, learning from you all!

Operating a 4" dredge is a family operation ( slave labor ). Should I guess that you are the nozzle guy and your wife is the one who moves the rocks away from the nozzle? Metal detectors can be fooled. Western Washington has about 12 minerals that will give a metal detector false positives. So many makes of detectors, frequencies, coils, blah blah blah. I have been in the Blewett Mining District in Eastern Washington. That is as far east as I have prospected. Blewett Pass has fossils so there are other items to look for. Does your buddy have a 'Falcon MD20' detector? High frequency, short range (depth). Waterproof probe on about 6' wand.

Yell "squirrel" really really loud.

Norse, if you mean what was I hunting near Kaslo, my wife and I limited out on deer, both whitetail and mulie, several times there. We also hunted elk, but got skunked on those. Yesterday, in the creek valley south of the Fraser, I was hunting Sasquatch, since no other big game is open right now, except feral hogs, which aren't in that area. That might be what the scat was that you spotted the other day. BigTreeWalker, I found a spot like that on the Simillkameen River about 40 years ago, when the water level was at an all time low, and my young son and I were picking small nuggets out of the riffles with a teaspoon!

Norseman, great shots of the Kaslo/Gerrard area. I hunted up there for 5 or 6 seasons, a couple of decades ago, with lots of success. Kiwakwe, I like your area a lot, too, though it does look a bit dry out there. I got out for about 5 hours this afternoon, 'cause I just HAD to try out the new lift kit in the Outlander. I chose a quiet valley about an hour from my home, and wasn't disappointed in the improvement to the ground clearance of the vehicle, or the peace and quiet of the spot I chose to explore. It's a steep creek valley South of the Fraser River, extending back towards the US border. Because the road access is not marked, and fairly well hidden from view of the main highway, it sees almost no traffic, with no lakes or camp areas to attract weekend warriors. I saw no one at all in the whole time I was up there. I did see a couple of grouse, some deer tracks, and a fairly big bear scat, but no other wildlife at all.

Beautiful photos, norseman and Kiwakwi! Looks like a couple of great locations.

Exactly the guys I was referring to in the post I created, "Say you have a body. Now what?" thread. Would be cool to find a way to outfox them. I think Huntster had some good ideas.