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I have probably spent more nights alone up the hill than many people. It's taken ten pages of discussion to get to the real danger: Physical accident, not animal attack. Walking at night is a necessary part of my outings. Just last Tuesday night I was in the Oregon Coastal Range, walking alone after a "busy" day by the motorcyclists, plus in the area I was scouting for a group to arrive. Late, under the Zodiac, and without a light, walked by a couple in a cocoon {tent. Without intent, I scared them muchly. {Muchly is a term coined by the great Bigfoot and UFO researcher Geo. Earley (spelled correctly). In my opinion, it should be widely adopted by Bigfooters and UFO'oslogists.} Anyway .... carefully walking at night under Zodiac and moon glow is not difficult. Stay on logging roads or wide trails, walk in the center of them, with some light color exposed { in my case gray hair} so the cougars will think a minute before jumping. Also, walk softly, slowly, feeling your way, and of course, have a light should you absolutely need it. Anyway, anyway, impalement, falling into a fire {not drunk}, an accidental swipe by a devil's club to the eye, and another mishap in one season put me into the Meridian Park hospital emergency room three times in three months. I drove myself there three times. {I was alone in the forest, remember.} After the third time, I was asked, by way of the insurance co. to come to the hospital to discuss why I was so accidental. I've since kept up my "routine," but have been more careful. Once about eight years ago, I was climbing a talus and ended up dropping a stone on my foot while foolishly wearing only walking shoes. That ended up requiring a bone taken out, one bone left to mend, a connector joint, and three pins in my left foot. Don't mention the medical bill .... Oh well, the alarm gives the TSA people something to think about. Only once in the last five years have had to go in to get stitched up. But I've taken two fire fall people into the ER, plus a broken arm, and ... and more accidents. Physical accidents are the danger of Bigfooting alone: Physical accidents. You hurt yourself good out there past routine traveled roads, and can't crawl back to the truck, you are in a bad way. Joe Beelart here, with the hospital records to prove what I wrote.1 point
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It has been said before a couple of pages back, but black bears also bark. It is a deep 'huff' that sounds a lot like a large dog. When bear hunting, it's the alarm sound they make when they 'wind' you. Right before they run away. 17x71 point
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I have a British friend who is open to most Fortean subjects, loves the idea of ghosts etc. (and says she has seen some herself). Then she absolutely howls at the idea of BF being real, and "it's all guys in suits". I don't know if she can really conceive of the wilderness over here, and how vast and untapped much of it is; I grew up on the edge of a boreal forest that is larger than western Europe. I think she simply can't conceive of the environment, or how that kind of isolation is possible, because it's so far from what she knows. I think pop culture doesn't help. In the sixties and seventies there was a surge of interest in "weird" subjects: astrology, meditation, UFOs, reincarnation, and so on, and Bigfoot kind of got swept up in that, so it's always seemed a little bit "out there". A lot of those counterculture interests became very mainstream but in the absence of another blockbuster like the PGF, it was easy to sweep the whole Biggie subject into the kookoo bin and dismiss it. I think the [Not] Finding Bigfoot show didn't help. Full disclosure, I have only ever seen a couple of episodes, but quickly grew tired of the reality-show editing and all the other cliches, like the gang going "Sshh! Hear that?!" while the producers add big booming drum music to add drama (and drown out whatever they thought they heard). Hard pass. It wasn't the handling the subject needed or deserved. Finally, I think the elephant in the room is the paranormal/high strangeness angle. Even as a kid in the, let's call it a distant decade, I remember reading a BF book that my dad or someone had lying around and even then, they were mentioning UFO sightings in BF hotspots and linking the two. We are all familiar with the paranormal vs biological paradigms so I won't plant any flags, but I will point out that the paranormal or spiritual angle has been there for a long time, and we don't see that too often with other cryptids. Maybe it's because the critter is so humanlike, that some want to give it spiritual or extradimensional attributes, I don't know. I can't imagine anyone claiming a psychic link with Ogopogo, can you? Edited to add: for myself, I have always seen the creature as a real, biological entity that eats and poops and walks around, and which has been known to native people for hundreds of years. No more, no less. However, I'm also fascinated by how the phenomenon of Bigfoot is a big enough tent to seat everyone: biologists, pro- and anti-kill, those who believe in it as a psychic or transdimensional being, etc.1 point
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It is a joke until you have an eye-opening direct encounter or repeat enigmatic interactions that result in knower status; or both. You can go in being a nonbeliever or skeptic, everything changes when the above enter the equation.1 point
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I don't bring the subject up. If somebody else does, I'll admit my confidence in their existence. If there is further discussion, I go along with simple, effective counter points, but I don't push it. Bears. lions, wolves, and snakes are bad enough. Most people don't want another monster out there to be afraid of, even most mature, armed men. I'll let them enjoy the comfort they find in denial and ignorance.1 point
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Redbone was courteous enough to boost the barks, and remove some of the extraneous noise from some of the sounds. He sent me the modified file this morning. Thank you, Redbone! Anyway, I will post it below. AllBarksInOrder07192019 processed3.mp31 point
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Hi, ShadowBorn! Not sure what you are suggesting. I don't understand how "woo" fits in with barks. Yes, we heard over a dozen "barks" from three directions. Yes, we found prints up there with a 42" stride. But how this fits in with the metaphysical, I don't follow. I am a flesh and blood kind of guy for the most part, at least when it comes to Bigfootery. An "agnostic" when it comes to woo. Not an "atheist" though. That said, I am also open minded enough to try something else. What did you have in mind? we're headed back up there this weekend to go check out the possible "caves" that seem to be indicated on Google Earth. They may be too hard to get to, I don't know. But that is one of the three directions that we heard the sounds coming from. We also want to see if there are any new prints up there that can be cast, as it sounds like one of those "barks" was getting closer to us before we had to boogie.1 point
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In my experience with BF in a handful of encounters, when I do something that upsets them, if I back off, give them space to withdraw etc. things are fine. The time when I tried to corner one and get it to break cover, it got ugly and dangerous. If they feel like they are controlling the situation things seem to be OK. When I have tried to gain control, and this can apply to a lot of things, it causes problems and angry reactions on their part. If they are chasing you out of an area leave. GIve them what they seem to want. Almost all of my experience has been solo. But quite honestly solo is not safe on several levels. Break a leg without a PLB and you are toast. However I think solo has allowed contact in situations where a BF would never approach more than one person. So I honestly presume that risk may be worth the reward. The temperament of BF may depend on the region. If your local BF have had bad interactions with humans, been shot at, shot, or whatever, then probably all interactions are going to be ugly and dangerous for you. If your locals have had good experience with humans then the opposite may be true. You never know until you have contact. Grizzly in Colorado are going to be much more of a risk than BF. As a matter of fact BF may keep grizzly away if you are in their area, so having BF close may be a big positive. I would bet a lot of money that BF and Grizzly are mortal enemies. Grizzly are so bad tempered I cannot imagine them getting along with any other species. And it both are predators then the problems really get bad because of competition for game. Bear spray at a minimum or both a gun and that for the bears. If you try either on a BF I don't think we would hear from you again unless you carry more than a hand gun.1 point
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This is the exact response I predicted when people would tell me they do not want them officially discovered because it would open them up to being wiped out. I would always say that the government would step in and that’s exactly what happened. Obviously a man ape would have other social, moral implications that a shark would not. But the doc is exactly the scenario I had envisioned. Also what I found interesting is that they thought they had them all figured out and then suddenly they were gone. Migrated else where. There was a study done on migrating mule deer in Wyoming that was happening right under sciences nose. Similar situation. Science is a powerful tool but they ego and dogma must be flogged out. We still do not know everything.1 point
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There's several recordings on a barking sasquatch on youtube. I've heard barking on someone's audio files too but can't remember where? You can just about hear tje bark in this video, crank up the volume.1 point
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Well written. I understand. It is indeed difficult to explain, but the word "detachment" is a good word to include. Been there, done that, more than once, and two times that immediately come to mind there was an element of complete surprise on my part. Once I was shot by a sniper, and another I surprised a large bear in a place (but not moment) where I expected one to be. In the bear incident, upon seeing the bear, I reacted perfectly with my actions up to and through my first shot (which was a good one).............and then I "detached" as I watched him roll backward, spin, thrash,...............and then lope away. Much later, back at work, a friend called it "buck fever". I disagreed, pointing out that my actions through the first shot (despite my initial surprise) were immediate and perfect, and he pointed out that "buck fever", which I never truly understood despite being a lifelong hunter, has no required timeframe. To this day, as you correctly write, I can't say he was correct or not, I can't adequately explain it, but it's very real. Moreover, since 2012, when I drove my pickup truck through the ice and to the bottom of a large lake at 44' deep, I've also been dealing with PTSD in a very alert, expectant, and educated way. Unlike 1975 when I was shot and PTSD was still a psychological phenomenon newly recognized in Vietnam veterans and undergoing new, intense, and continuing research, I fully expected to feel its effects after my brush with death trapped in my truck at the bottom of the lake. I even knew what those effects would be since I had gone through them more than once before. I'm learning that I knew nothing, but also that 7 years later I'm still learning that I don't understand so completely that my new experiences really won't be of much help to me or others. I'm quite confident that people who experience sasquatch encounters deal with very unique PTSD effects for the rest of their lives afterwards, and there's really not much they can do about it, even if they're wise enough to understand that they're going to go through it. Suffice it to say that I now strongly believe that PTSD has a definite cumulative effect. Each time one adds another psychological trauma (and that includes emotional trauma like fear, loss, surprise, etc as well as physical trauma), your mental health dies that much more, and recovery might not be forthcoming. My PTSD, starting in my childhood and being built upon every few years since with fresh traumas, emotional wounds, fears, and even major disappointments have destroyed me, and hurt everyone around me. I'm crazy to want to see a sasquatch. Maybe that desire says a lot about why my life is not much more than a collection of regularly scheduled traumas?1 point
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Wow, Far Archer. A tiger.... I can't even.... I can't fathom what that would feel like. How people do (and survive) such things is beyond amazing to me. But I'm not a guy, so I don't have any of the mental training boys get to start getting their heads around things like this. And yes, no hurry. I was just making a prediction, based on what I know of you from your postings, that that day will come. This is absolutely true. Knowledge is power. When you know that there's a possibility you'll encounter a Bigfoot in the woods, you can prepare a little, mentally. And when you know that there is no danger from them (which there isn't -- unless you go looking to harm one, and then the odds of you getting out unscathed drop a little -- but even then, not much) -- anyway, as I say, when you know that there's no danger from them, you can put your heart and mind in "greeting mode", in connection mode. This putting of your heart in connection mode will ground you and reassure them. And then your FTF will be much easier. But it will still be hard, I hear (and as Far Archer -- and others who are brave and good people -- can attest to). (I had my first full-body daylight sighting in October, but it was from 100+ yards away, so it was definitely not scary.) I have very experienced friends with very loving hearts and deep insight who all promised me that seeing one up close would shake me to my core (and told me not to get too upset about that; to kind of accept the experience and let it "pass", so to speak). Knowing how many people have been able to get past their own fears and forge strong bonds with our strong cousins has been hugely, incalculably valuable to me in my own adventures. Because of them -- because of that knowledge I got from them -- I have been able to set my intentions and discipline my own mind to expect nothing but good from them. And that's what I've gotten: Lovely experiences that I wouldn't trade for anything in the world. So it's all about intention and discipline. You just do your best to discipline your mind to not fly off into fear -- and, even better, open your heart to them -- and that makes great things (all things, really) possible.1 point
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Yes, I am, but only to a degree. I'm a bit apprehensive around any large animal, especially a wild one that so little is known about. What difference does it make if they know I'm peaceful if I don't know if they aren't? Any large creature could inflict misery and pain on someone, especially if we don't know what to do while in their presence. You may get too close to a den, make a gesture that they find threatening or they may just be bad, like some people. My opinion is that extreme caution - a healthy degree of fear - is only natural if ever in the presence of such a creature. Personally, I believe that anyone in their right mind should be.1 point
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