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Yes. There are a lot of things I might like to do in Canada in the way of hiking, fishing, and camping, which I'll never do so long as I can't carry a pistol. Same as I won't do them here in states that either won't let me carry a pistol or put up so many hurdles it's effectively the same thing. I've noticed that the states don't care and I very much doubt Canada does either. I'll stick to my home state, there's plenty of room and lots to do that I haven't done yet. MIB

I recall that, checked my post history and: https://bigfootforums.com/topic/64697-for-the-knowers-who-have-seen-them-up-close/

Most of the renditions I've seen suggest artist bias. They start with something they know, some assumptions they've made, then adjust details to match the witness description, but the outcome still heavily reflects those original assumptions. With such contradictions in depiction obvious, I think all artist renditions are interesting but all must also be taken with a substantial grain of salt. MIB

I started a very similar thread within the past year with photos of witness drawings. See if you can find that, it might help.

Definitely don't wish to "unsee". My sighting was in daylight, at a comfortably safe distance, so no more scary than watching a grizzly, wolf, or moose at 100+ yards. I've had very intense interactions with black bears, grizzlies, and even cougars, at spitting distance, and I don't want to unsee those, either. I spend every day that I can spare out in the incredible mountain country around me because of all those things, not in spite of them. Like MIB, my interest in Sasquatch has brought me into contact with some pretty amazing people, some of whom are now close friends, and some of whom I admire on this forum. I wouldn't want to change that.

For the most part, no. My "visual encounters" haven't been terrifying. I've had the crap scared out of me via apparent infrasound. Oddly enough, not both at the same time. I think if they show themselves, they're not trying to scare you, and if they are trying to scare you, it won't include showing themselves. (Simple risk management.) I prefer to deal with the truth over blissful ignorance. The only reason I might wish to unsee is that this obsession sure takes up a lot of otherwise free time. It's spent in the woods though, so it's not truly lost time. It's gotten me in to truly enjoyable places I likely would not have made the effort or had the interest to access. I've met some a-holes, sure, but I've also met some of the very coolest, kindest people you could hope to meet through bigfooting. MIB

Having only just recently digested the NAWAC's report on their experiment to Auto-Tag a BF with a cocklebur-encased radio tag, I had some thoughts. The first was, "Holy Cow!" that is really cool...and brilliant science. My hat is off to those boys and girls for this innovation that has implications above and beyond the BF study field. Although the experiment is so far a unique one, and we will all want to know if the results are repeated, something else occurred to me. When I first read of their intention to try and hang up a cocklebur covered with rat-trap glue in the hair of a BF, my presumption was that this would be detected by the animal fairly quickly, or that it would "groomed" out by a companion BF in short order. If you believe their results, that didn't happen, and the tag kept on the move and sending out location data for months and until the battery presumably died. As far as we know, it could be riding on that BF as we speak. So this leads me to some conclusions about the habits of this one BF, which leads me to some thoughts about a question that gets debated here: Man or Ape, or some of both? I am firmly in the "Hominid" camp on this, for reasons not worth rehashing now. This experiment results though confirm my leanings. Who has not seen a troop of baboons, chimps or gorillas grooming each other? We know they do it for hygiene purposes, to remove parasites, etc, but also as a social bonding ritual. Somebody might contradict this with some research, but as far as I know, H. sapiens at least do not do that habitually or ritually. (Of course, I don't think we have any way to know if any H. sapien ancestors did) What say you...does this confirm or refute anything we think we know about BF?

Not necessarily. The technique can be tried repeatedly, it's not a single run trial. It is a great idea other teams.should try. Maybe we should try to design a similar unit. Test it and post the parts.list so anyone can build it. Like we did with the sound recorders.

I know what you mean. There's nothing there that solves the issue as far as proof goes. Even though I add my two rocks into places I basically dislike discussion threads that do little to progress the Sasquatch problem to a final conclusion. I could talk and discuss for the next two years and just end up in the same place which is some place in Nowheresville.

I'm thankful I never saw the face. I'm sure the nightmares would have gone on longer. Like I've told you before. Be careful what you wish for padawan.

No artist rendition needed.

Gimlin’s judgement that Patty posed no threat has no bearing here. Patty had no idea that Gimlin posed no threat to her. He pulled a rifle on her. More often than not this is the last thing an animal sees before death. Horses? It depends. They have a better sense of smell than we do. Better hearing too. But way worse eyesight. I’ve had horses jump over a bush being blown by the wind. Or a deer that I saw a long time ago cross in front of us. Horses are a prey species. Humans are predators. Our senses are different. How we percieve our surroundings are different. And how we react to threats is different. It’s really a apples vs oranges comparison. Its my understanding that the film site was close to a road. I’m sure Patty May have gotten used to the sound of engines equaling the presence of man. She may have heard the horses approach and thought it was Elk or Deer or some other natural quadruped. But I think she pooped herself when two humans appeared seemingly out of nowhere. Not a lot of cowboys riding horses in Bluff creek historically. I’m sure she was pretty scared by the encounter because she hightailed it out of there. Ive had Bear stand their ground with me. Knowing full well what I was. It’s not a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Requires salt licks. Several of them. Natfoot started a thread earlier in the year. The 7th post has 3 frames with images. First 2 are Patty. The frame on the right is not Patty but an image that has been categorized as 'computer art', 'computer air brushing'. The cartoon image was created by artist Peter Travers. It is repeatedly displayed without copyright / artist name. It is a cartoon character, it is not Patty. It gets funny. Forensic artist Harvey Pratt removes facial hair from cartoon Patty. So why not remove facial hair from Rolf Wolf, Sam Sheepdog and Yosemite Sam. ( Elmer Fudd is OK so Hunster is safe ). I am aware of Harvey Pratt. A name game with a forensic artist does not legitimize a cartoon face / head shot as real. If you think that 'cartoon Patty look back' is real, you are in trouble. Persons who have images are concerned with copyright issues and keeping the crazies away.......not necessarily in that order. Some time ago. I contacted a forum member who I believe has a correct 'look back' image of Patty. I have not seen it posted yet.

Well they intimidate the heck out me that's for sure . I do not see them as scary creatures but they do have that crazy feeling about them whether I come back alive or dead when I am around them. It does not matter if they are flesh and blood I still get this feeling around them that maybe I might be their meal. But then at other times I feel like they are teaching me some thing that we have lost as man once used in our past. The only thing or maybe I wish I could unsee what I saw is because it has brought me so much grief in my life. I have always wished that I have kept silent to the things that I have experienced since I have no way to explain . It is the unbelief of others that brings this grief. But now I just do not give a Sh^t of what others think since I know the truth of what I have experience. I cannot undo what I have seen or experience . I have put it out there for all to read . It is up to the reader whether they choose to believe or not . I have done my part .

^^^ Fair point. I've not thought of the hibernation point before and footprint/impact.

Yeah. I've been thinking that too. Or maybe it all depends on the reaction they get from the humans that they encounter.

I guess the question would be, maybe your interactions are with something other than what most describe as the stereotypical bigfoot?

Yeah, I guess they are. But most of the people that I know, that have experiences like mine don't report them (publicly), for obvious reasons.

In John Green's database there are variables that cover different characteristics. I know you are requesting any particulars from folks here who are knowers but thought I'd help you get the ball rolling The variables in the database include Human-like nose/ape-like nose, small nose/large flat nose. Human-like face/ape-like face and other distinguishing features such as eye shape, teeth, hair on the face, ears that show and facial skin color. These are but a few of the descriptive terms in the database that witnesses have reported. There's much, much more. I know because from 2013-2016 I worked on the database revising it. The revision involved breaking out many of the original variables into separate fields in order to do more specific searches when sorting for certain data groups. I also worked on getting it into chronological order which was my main goal.. And yes, it took three years on and off (mostly on) to do the work. I had emailed the late John Green in 2014 (I think) and told him what I was doing and he wrote back that he was delighted that someone had finally taken an interest in it after 12 years laying idle. In the summer of 2015 I wrote to him again and asked if he would sign an original copy of his 1978 Hancock House "Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us" which he graciously agreed to do. He was 86 at the time. I sent him the copy along with $20 to pay for its return mailing and he sent the book back signed with a $10 bill in change. A year and a half later, in May of 2016, he passed away. He was quite a guy.

Its possible sure, read some of the reports and they are dumpster diving. In all seriousness I tend to be a believe that BF is either migratory or it occupies a large territory that it roams. That is based on the fact that reports are rather widespread. A roaming BF would eventually have to occupy and cross some areas that could be more heavily occupied than we may believe.

That absolutely has to be considered. The fossil record is a tricky thing. Fossilization of an individual is unlikely under the best of conditions. Fossilization of a low population species is even less likely. And if a species evolves under less than ideal conditions, the probability o of finding it or its ancestors fossilized becomes vanishingly low. Even if they exist, then, the fossils themselves could be so rare that they may never be located. It becomes like guessing which haystack in many fields of many haystacks has the needle, then finding that needle. Under those conditions, bigfoot could have evolved from something very unlike what we think they evolved from. It's not my best / most probable guess but it's absolutely on my table for consideration as new evidence comes to light. MIB

Hello Georgerm, I'll save you the trouble: At Watson Bay, two men in fishboat saw a small ape on beach. One shot at it and they think wounded it. There was blood on the snow. They were afraid to follow the tracks in the snow, which are not described in the report. They were running a trap line at the time. Informant was camping with others (nothing specified, but uses "we") when they were awakened by the sound and feel of something running nearby. They shone a flashlight and saw something grey, 8 feet high and heavily built standing erect near a tree. Its eyes appeared large and wide-set. Someone shot in its general direction and it was heard going into the bush. They had been camped about three days, near the South Fork of the Trinity River, and there was buried garbage and food around. Jim Kunkle and a friend were spotlighting for deer in the vicinity of Triangle Lake. They saw several deer running down a hillside "like bats outa hell". They had never seen deer act like that, especially at night, so they flashed the light around the hillside and saw what they said was a "Bigfoot", no description. They fired 30 or 40 rounds from .22's at it, and it turned and fled over the hill flailing its arms as if to repel a swarm of flies. A thorough search of the area next morning turned up nothing. John Gates, George Robinson, Gregg Proctor and Pat Condon were hiking into the mountains for a week. At the top of a crevasse at the end of a canyon they heard a crashing in the brush, then saw something massive staring at them from about 20 feet above. Thought it was a bear until it took a four inch branch and lifted it about 3 feet with one hand to get a better look. Shouted to scare it off without effect, then fired .22's over its head and it took off. So did they. They were headed for Crater Lake (small lake not on map) and thought they were close to it. Incident 1000854, same witnesses, same trip, indicates they were South of Skykomish. A sheriff's officer from Bellingham recorded over his police radio a scream heard by Sgt. Ken Cooper at close range. When the tape of this scream was played in the gravel pit, Sam Cooper saw a sasquatch appear and walk towards the car. He shot and it took off. The scream was heard at 8 p.m. Nov 1, at Chief Martin Road. In other incidents, three dogs were reported killed by bites in the throat, and a horse received a mysterious, serious, tear in its neck while in the barn. A woman and her son at their home near Weston, by the city's water treatment plant, sitting on the front porch at night when the woman noted a strong odour, and noticed a huge shape just beyond the porch light. The son got a shotgun, thinking it was a bear, and fired at point blank range. Only effect was that the creature ran off on two legs. Later they found their St. Bernard cowering in its doghouse. Informant and his nephew fishing the Collowash River, camped for the night on a gravel bank, nephew asleep, informant heard something crunching through the gravel, and a very large form came into the firelight, apparently indifferent to his presence. It was about 8 feet tall, very heavy, covered with red brown hair. He got a good look at it by firelight and then by flashlight. He then fired three shots with a .22 pistol, the creature screamed and went over a huge log into the timber. Next day could find no suitable ground to show footprints. Log was waist high and hard to climb over. Creature had a nauseating smell, and made a wheasing sound as it breathed. An old story on the B.C. coast, heard by William Freeman from his father. Billy Hall, hunting with another man, saw two animals in an opening in the mountainside and shot, killing one. The other one took it by the shoulders and tried to revive it. Hall fled and the animal came after him. He reached the beach, where his partner had fallen asleep in their canoe, and launched the canoe, partner and all, all by himself. No description of animals given, but Freeman was talking about apes. There are other versions of this story. William Freeman's father lived at Kemano at the time. Out varmint hunting, Lyle Bingaman shot at what they thought was a bear that had just come out of the trees and it dropped on the spot. They struggled to get to it in about 4 feet of snow, reached it as it started to get dark. It had a monkey-like face, no claws, hands hairy but not palms, eyes open, no pronounced muzzle, nose flat like gorilla, face bare around mouth, brownish hair with light tips, very long. Doesn't remember ears or neck. They got worried that it was something valuable that belonged to someone, and they left. Bingaman told Roger Patterson in a phone call that it was 7 feet tall. Bruce McKelvie, an journalist and historian who had a file of sasquatch reports, was interviewed by John Green and Rene Dahinden about 1957. He said that a friend of his had shot and killed a sasquatch, but he was not free to give further information. See 1000761 George Tallio on his trap line on the mountainside east of South Bentinck Arm, saw a huge creature stand up from behind the trunk of a fallen tree. He shot at it with a small calibre rifle, it fell back and he fled. He had gone that way out of curiosity after noticing a lot of moss having been stripped off a rock face. He found that the moss had been used to cover a great pile of fecal matter. Several boys returned to scene of earlier sighting (Incident 1000293) more than once. David Churchill dates this incident the first night after. Dennis Taylor tape indicates it was the second night. Taylor says the creatures, (three seen one night) came through a cut from the higher ground to the south each night and went down to the river. They could be heard walking on the loose rocks. The youths, once as many as 13, would try to ambush them on the way back, with whatever hunting rifles, etc. they could bring. On this occasion, (combining two accounts that don't mesh exactly) two creatures had come down, and Taylor and Churchill found one crouched under the low limbs of a large tree. Churchill shot it twice, with a 12-guage shotgun from about 10 feet away, and it rolled over twice, got up and ran through a 4-strand wire fence, taking out three posts. Next morning took pictures of the tree and the broken fence. Tried to follow tracks and blood droppings, but managed only 100 yards. Location is given as Trates Point, gravel pit area. Churchill filled out another computer form for another sighting the same night, about 4.30 a.m. Taylor tells of later sightings, stopping only when one of the creatures came up close behind a group of youths who were not aware of it until it made a noise leaving. After that they stayed away. Clifford Heronemus, Robert Davis, Carl Martinez and David Chiaramonte driving at 45 miles an hour, had a five foot, seven inch hairy creature running on two legs keeping pace. One of them shot it and it fell down, but got up and ran off. No blood. Couldn't be a person, Heronemus said, they can't move that fast. Phil Snow and Ray Rhodes were duck hunting in the marshland and tidal flats between Highway 101 and San Francisco Bay, walking on wooden catwalks raised about 3 feet over the marsh to provide access to power lines etc. Rhodes told Snow that a big dark hairy thing ran out from under a catwalk and down a muddy slough. In panic he shot it in the back with his 12-guage shotgun. It screamed but kept going at a fast pace, high-stepping on two legs, more of a fast walk than a run. He fled. Ridley (first name forgotten) and another young Indian saw an ape on an island near Hartley Bay and shot at it. It screamed like a woman and fled. Next day they found blood, but no tracks. Two boys, Brian Lebreton and Leonard Hall, camping out at the Trates Point gravel quarry, planning to hunt rabbits in the morning, claim that a huge, heavy, dark-haired creature noved around on top of the bank above them, watching them. They shot it repeatedly with a 12-guage shotgun but with no result except that it went "ump". Tom Brown was present as a child at Kwakwa, where Klemtu people once lived on the west side of Swindle Island (Indian Reserve 7) when the adults heard a noise of something walking in the shallow water, and saw and shot at a sasquatch, using rifles, shotguns and a revolver. He did not see it but heard it scream. They thought it fell in the water but nothing was there in the morning. A few days after sighting by boy (1001233) an elderly man living on Engleville Hill went out with gun and flashlight to see why his dog was barking, saw an 8-foot monster standing in his garden, shot at it and ran. The creature screamed and started after him, putting a hairy paw through his door window. The man was found unconscious on the floor, and his German Shepherd had been ripped apart. Large 3-toed footprints were found in the area. Captain Owens, steamboat pilot from Nanaimo, told by John Fraser at Union Bay that local Indians in a canoe had seen what they thought was a bear on the beach between Union Bay and Comox. One man fired at it and it straightened up, yelled, and ran upright into the woods. It was covered with hair. Had been digging clams when they fired. Informant told Bob Titmus that he and two other Indians were trapping in Khutze Inlet when they saw an ape on the south shore of the inlet. They were travelling by boat at the time. Nyce shot at it with a shotgun and it ran into the woods, screaming. Credibility problem, see 1000309 Joe Bayless told Bob Betts that when he was staying at the home of a prospecting partner, Jack Riffe, 2.5 miles out of Creswell, he went outside with a 30-30 to see why there was a commotion in the horse corral about 11 p.m. on a moonless hight. At about 50 feet he noticed an 8-foot object in the corral and dropped down to try to silhouette it, seeing a stocky human form. He fired a shot to scare it, but it screamed and jumped the 6-foot corral fence. He fired again as it disappeared in the trees. Next morning Bayless, Riffe and some other men found manlike tracks estimated 20 inches long, and quite a bit of blood. They followed a blood trail a half mile. See 1001411 Prospectors Robbins and Benson were developing a "gold ledge" above a spring beyond the head of Star Gulch on the South Fork of the Sixes River. Returning from lunch by the spring they looked back and saw a creature, big, powerful, erect, and covered with yellow fuzz, throwing their camp stuff over a cliff. They fired at it, but without effect and it bounded out of sight. The article refers to "Indian devils" called Swalahists seen by miners, over 6.5 feet tall, heavy jaws, powerful shoulders and torsos, covered with yellowish fur, catlike in action, running and bounding with the swiftness of a deer. A man named 'Doc' Elgin (?) said to have seen one and measured its footprints. (Measurements and part of name illegible.) Story quotes the Myrtle Point Enterprise saying that the "Wild Man" of the Sixes mining district (this time in Coos County, not Curry County) has been seen three times since March 10. On this occasion "a few days ago", it shook the door of "the Harrison cabin" about 5 a.m. and William Ward and one of the Harrison boys grabbed their guns. Ward fired at it, and it threw a four pound rock at him before disappearing in the brush. Its aim was high. "Thompson Flat" occupied by William Ward and a young man named Burlison. They heard it walking around the cabin, and at on corner it gave the building a vigorous shake--all the time making a frightful noise. Ward went to the door, saw it walking away and shot at it, but missed. No description in this incident, but story gives a general description of what miners have been reporting for past 10 years, something like a gorilla, 7 feet high, broad hands and feet, body covered with a prolific growth of hair, can outrun and outjump anything else, and throw rocks with great force and accuracy. Story quotes the Myrtle Point Enterprise saying that the "Wild Man" of the Sixes mining district (this time in Coos County, not Curry County) has been seen three times since March 10, when it appeared at night at a cabin on "Thompson Flat" occupied by William Ward and a young man named Burlison. They heard it walking around the cabin, and at on corner it gave the building a vigorous shake--all the time making a frightful noise. Ward went to the door, saw it walking away and shot at it, but missed. No description in this incident, but story gives a general description of what miners have been reporting for past 10 years, something like a gorilla, 7 feet high, broad hands and feet, body covered with a prolific growth of hair, can outrun and outjump anything else, and throw rocks with great force and accuracy. Five men were working on a prospect in a canyon on the headwaters of the Muddy River, ever since known as Ape Canyon. They were Marion Smith, his son Roy, his son-in-law Fred Beck, Gabe Lefever and John Peterson. They had occasionally seen large barefoot prints by creek beds and springs while prospecting in the Mount St. Helens area, the largest 19 inches long. Prior to the first sighting they had been hearing shrill whistles in the evening for about a week, with answering whistles from ridge to ridge. On July 10 Marion Smith and Fred Beck went to a spring for water and Smith spotted an ape about 100 yards away on the other side of a little canyon, standing by a pine tree. It dodged behind the tree and poked its head out. Smith fired three times, grazing the bark. The creature ran off down the canyon, seen again 200 yards away, where Beck fired at it three times. That night the cabin was attacked from outside. It had no windows, so the attackers were not seen. Many rocks were apparenty thrown at the cabin during the night, some coming down the chimney into the fireplace. At the start a wooden strip used for chinking was knocked out. At one point a hairy arm reached through the gap left between the logs and grabbed an axe, but the head jammed and Smith shot along the handle. The axe was retrieved. The following morning the men planned to get out, leaving all their supplies and equipment. Beck saw an ape standing about 80 yards away near the edge of the canyon and shot at it three times. It fell into the gorge, about 400 feet down. At the Spirit Lake ranger station Marion Smith told the story to the ranger, and at home in Kelso he told some friends. Many people went to the site, and large four-toed prints were found. (Two incident entries, for July 10 and July 11.) Eldon Siepert phoned to tell of experiences logging and road building near Paskenta, Cal., in the summers of 1965 and 66, with (I think) Marvin Coleman Construction, working out of Proberta, and going 30 to 50 miles back in the Coast Range. Their road ran through a canyon between two mountains. Tracks 13 to 17 inches long were seen on the road every few days. He saw some himself. Prints were about three walking steps apart. There was a missing toe or deformity on the left foot. The tracks ended at the creek bank. Several men told of seeing a large, dark, hairy creature that always ran erect. The water wagon driver saw it in the twilight or early morning. One man took a shot at it and a lot carried guns in their trucks. Animals were found torn apart and partly eaten, and feces were found containing remains of berries or nuts. When Seipert phoned, date not recorded, he was no longer logging, but in the real estate business. (Since many incidents were involved this report will be entered twice, to cover the different months, years and times of day, and to give different credibility ratings for the tracks and the sightings.) ran. Eldon Siepert phoned to tell of experiences logging and road building near Paskenta, Cal., in the summers of 1965 and 66, with (I think) Marvin Coleman Construction, working out of Proberta, and going 30 to 50 miles back in the Coast Range. Their road ran through a canyon between two mountains. Tracks 13 to 17 inches long were seen on the road every few days. He saw some himself. Prints were about three walking steps apart. There was a missing toe or deformity on the left foot. The tracks ended at the creek bank. Several men told of seeing a large, dark, hairy creature that always ran erect. The water wagon driver saw it in the twilight or early morning. One man took a shot at it and a lot carried guns in their trucks. Animals were found torn apart and partly eaten, and feces were found containing remains of berries or nuts. When Seipert phoned, date not recorded, he was no longer logging, but in the real estate business. (Since many incidents were involved this report will be entered twice, to cover the different months, years and times of day, and to give different credibility ratings for the tracks and the sightings.) ran. Roger True, Greg Pointer and other youths from Richland went repeatedly at night to look for the "white demon", a biped covered with dirty white hair, about 8 feet tall, very heavily built, that frequented a disused gravel pit near West Richland, dug into the side of "old flattop". It was shot at close range several times with deer rifles and at least once with a shotgun without apparent effect. Weight estimates 600 or 700 pounds. Seen repeatedly by groups of youths. Never on all fours. Greg Pointer told of seeing it walking across a field at 10 to 15 miles an hour, not running at all. He also said others had timed it at 40 miles an hour as it chased their cars. Carl Franklin's brother from Seattle (Jim?) had it scratch the door of his car. Eyes shone red in the dark with no light on them. High pitched scream was described by others. Tracks were left 16 to 18 inches long, like a wide human foot. Roger True said that he hit it at least twice with a .270 rifle and that his friend Tom Thompson shot it at 10 yards with a 12-guage shotgun and "didn't faze it at all." Another group of youths had seen it earlier in the summer at Sawyer, near Yakima, where they were picking fruit. Spending night in remote cabin in Taneum Creek canyon, heard something walk up and try locked door. Out window as lights of friend's approaching car lit area saw a dark form running off through the trees on two legs, and emptied clip of rifle at it without effect. Strong stench left behind. Had friend drive them to Idaho for the night. Two boys playing outside at their ranch, located between the Yakima Indian Reservation and the Columbia River, not far from The Dalles, towards Mount Adams. Older boy, Mike, thought he saw a bear among the scrub oaks on the hillside, ran in house for .22 rifle. When he got back the creature had moved closer. It was upright, 8 or 9 feet tall, no neck and a flat face. It turned to run and he fired one shot, which he believes hit shoulder. Mother went out later and saw three sets of large, round, yellow-green eyes some distance from the house, and saw something large moving in the shadows. Creatures seen occasionally in the yard in following months. Horses injuring themselves running into barbed wire fences. Doberman dogs acting panicky. Typical 5-toed sasquatch prints occasionally found in the yard. Eventually people and domestic animals all lost their fear. Mother says the creatures are mimics, and will answer whistle with whistle, and imitate birds and animals. No screams or growls. Strong sulphur smell at times. Thumps on house and scratching on screens followed by sound of heavy running feet. Once a big black face peering in the window--leaning down from above into the upper edge of a window seven feet high at the top. Food left out for them not taken. A spring in the back yard of the ranch is the only water source within a mile during dry periods. No adult males at the ranch in this period. A group of young people hanging around a swimming hole, informant playing a guitar. Looked up and saw a huge creature standing on a small **** back of the swimming hole, watching them. It was slightly stooped, hair-covered, had light-coloured, apelike face. Someone shot at it repeatedly with a .22 rifle, with no effect, then they all ran. Of course, there's more.....

It makes a certain degree of sense, based on what was told to me when we asked about their living arrangements in "Guy's" Question thread in the paranormal section. I was told (paraphrasing) that we shouldn't form opinions of all of them, based on observations of their outcasts. He said they have their criminals and bums, the same as we do, but they don't all live that way. I don't have the answer to your question. It defies explanation.

In the first tv episode of the Joe Rogan Experience a few years ago, in the first segment, Joe interviewed Dr. J at his house in Washington state. They walked to the base of a hiking/walking trail a short ways from the neighborhood. It was here that Dr. J claimed invisible Sasquatches made physical contact with him. So obviously the theory proposed in this thread is true. Also, the prattling, pseudo academic windbag, Christopher Noel, has the same theory. Bigfeet are in the neighborhood.