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This thread is so titled because there has already been a thread titled "Implications of a Human Hybrid" that has been closed (why are such threads closed if there is no open warfare in them?). However, the points I hope to present were not discussed in detail there. That thread was likely inspired by the theories of the Sasquatch Genome Project, specifically that sasquatches were themselves hybrids of humans and an unknown ape. I'm coming from a different direction, based upon Bryan Sykes theory which he bases on his work on the DNA of Zana's progeny. His DNA analysis resulted in Zana being 100% sub-Saharan African, which means no hybridization with Neanderthals or Denisovans. Most people responded with, "Aha! See, she was human!" Well, no s**t, Sherlock. "Human", or of the genus Homo, includes several species, including Homo sapiens (us), Neanderthals, Denisovans, and several others. This doesn't mean that sasquatches don't exist. Another common escape avenue was the claim that Zana was was simply a former African slave imported during the Ottoman Empire who went feral. This doesn't meet the smell test for several reasons, and Sykes also pointed out that her DNA differed from any African models known today, indicating hers as a "ghost" population that likely left Africa thousands of years ago. Moreover, looking at the description of Zana herself (collected @ 1962 (5 years before the PG film was shot) by zoologist Prof Alexander Mashkovtsev) was a spitting image of Patty, the subject of the PG film: https://sites.google.com/site/noxgigasstudy/home/zana-and-the-black-plague Here's the key: This is not the only testimony of sasquatch creatures mating with humans, but it is the only testimony coming from multiple individuals and supported with the DNA of surviving progeny. Perhaps the most important biological results are that: There is a unique DNA signature that can be compared to other purported sasquatch DNA samples, and This testimony and resulting DNA analysis essentially confirms that sasquatches are "human", but not necessarily Homo sapien. I want to repeat that: This testimony and resulting DNA analysis essentially confirms that sasquatches are "human", but not necessarily Homo sapien I want to point out just how critical this possibility is: Biological: This is likely why we repeatedly see DNA tests coming back as "human" and being thrown away as "contaminated". I suggest that both Bryan Sykes and the Sasquatch Genome Project may have isolated specific markers that might be found in future samples, and thus enormously strengthening sasquatchery evidence. Secondly, understanding this possibility enables debaters to deal with arguments like this: https://bigfootforums.com/topic/25077-russian-alma-zana/ And if a donkey and a horse successfully mated then the offspring is a horse?? Don't think soo that is how we get the hybrid thing called a mule. All it proves is what ever Zana was she was from a family that genetically was close to a human and allowed her to mate with a human. That does not mean Zana was a real human but rather a species that share close genetic material. "Human" is a genus (Homo), not a species. It is now (and in 2009 when this genius wrote the above) well accepted science that Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis), are human, but of a different species than us, and now it is recognized that the same is true of Denisovans and at least two other "ghost" species. Legal: If sasquatches are human, one cannot kill one without committing a felonious crime, the least of which would be willful manslaughter. This is black letter law. This is a HUGE consideration for sasquatch "hunters". I, for one, refuse to go through any legal examination that might result in such a conviction. This makes the acquisition of a carcass, which is absolutely required to put sasquatches in the family of known and accepted species and confirm/correct any and all theories, extremely more difficult. Also, this will change much more than biology after discovery. For example, sasquatches/Zana demonstrated no spiritual awareness, tool manufacturing, or control/use of fire whatsoever, and tool use was similar to chimps (sticks and unmanipulated stones). This means that humanity might not necessarily include tool/fire use or spirituality as factors in the taxonomic requirements for humanity. Remember, our genetics are so close that not only hybridization possible, but the offspring are also fertile. Are sasquatches, human but not spiritually or mechanically aware, subject to the same human rights as Homo sapiens? Is a whole new body of law (or chapter) now required for the entire world to ratify and recognize? We're just looking at a tip of this iceberg. This is way, way bigger than new insect species being discovered.

In the past 50 years, we've had film cameras and movie cameras. We then had, and still have, digital cameras and cell phones that also do movies. There is a concurrent thread going on about the best/clearest picture of a sasquatch. I think most will agree there are limited ones floating around in the public domain. FLIR has been around but out of reach for all but the wealthy or TV-show related. It's only in the past few years that good thermal imagers have been affordable but they're still only in the hands of sasquatchers in limited numbers. In contrast, every sasquatcher has a camera or cellphone. Only a very limited number have a good thermal imager. I know exactly where I was when I shot those thermals above as I marked the spot I took a thermal whenever something looks promising. I think determining the height of the subject in a thermal in a wooded environment will be significantly easier than determining Patty's height traveling in an open area with limited benchmarks to measure against. Look at my two thermals...they are rich in trees. That's the environment I sasquatch in. If the only option any of us will have is something peeking 3" above a downed log, then no technology we readily have at our disposal will work other than a drone. I think as more thermals are out in the field, we'll start seeing more upright movement from tree to tree caught on thermals. I have one video I recorded right out of the gate. I recorded something bipedal moving about then reaching down to pick up something on the ground, and finally moving on. The muscularity was absolutely ridiculous and reminded me of some of the close up shots of Patty showing her triceps and back muscles. That night, I was so thunderstruck with what I was seeing and recording, I didn't think to mark the spot. I learned the hard way from this experience. I have not yet been able to reenact the movement using a friend but will continue with it until, hopefully, I can find the correct spot from which all measurements will flow. Whatever I recorded that night was upright and moving about so I am absolutely convinced there are many others scenarios happening all the time all over the country just like this.

I'm linking an open letter written by a man from my home town, Helena, Montana, reporting the ordeal he and his wife and another couple experienced earlier this month. https://www.montana-ranches.com/granite-lake-experience/

You want to know why it was closed . It was closed because the folks who rule the debate want it close to the fact that they do not want this creature to have any part of it to be Human. To have it be Human does not fit into their well fitted agenda of what ever it may be. They wanted it to be an ape/ chimp since they do not want some thing that can match up to what we as Humans are. Sure we as Human do not live in the wild since us Humans build shelters . We as Humans are not savages where we eat our prey with our hands and teeth and rip the flesh off the bone. Us Humans do not give off the fear of God to other apex animals like these creatures do what ever roams in our forest. ( I am sure that Zana never had this ) . Where you can actually feel that fear in your bones as a Human.( Where is the paranormal in that) This is pure apex in a species not felt anywhere else . It is only felt when we encounter these creatures. So what ever DnA they have it must be some thing that is truly undiscovered. True there must be some human in them but what ever other part that is in their strand is what should leave us with at a remarkable amazement. That is even if there are two strands of DnA which we are not even sure off. There could be more then two strands of DnA which would make them remarkable.

Yeah sorry I put up the long version because there's a bit more footage, but this is the only other video out there about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZiMknx9wJE The "skeptical" view is that he has microcephaly, but if you're accustomed to taking people's stories at face value... and if the shoe fits... I dunno, I've always thought it was a really interesting case and it's a shame there isn't more information out there on it.

It's aint just Zana... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uratrKnU3Gc

I have to respectfully disagree. For an investment of $2,000 you can have a very nice thermal imager. Mine clearly catches chipmunks running up trees and hopping on the forest floor. It will never be as crisp as a 24MP picture but it doesn't need to be. That's not its purpose. You can capture a video in the forest that can then be reconstructed with humans in the same spot/trackway to compare relative height, weight, movement, and maybe even stride length if you're lucky. I think you have a much better chance at getting the good video at night than getting the good picture during the day. Here are two videos from my Pulsar Helion imager. If something stepped out from behind a tree in one of these videos, it wouldn't be that difficult to do a reenactment to determine height. That's what my game plan is all about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbca0qjPIFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtaIbiS9qM

Exactly this /\ The trackway I came across 40 odd years ago was all alone along the old logging road, nothing else had made any tracks there. When I went back with John Green the next day, the only additional tracks were my own, paralleling the large tracks for the first 20 yards into the snow; the rest of the tracks continued up the road for as far as we could see, probably 400 yards till they disappeared around a curve in the slight uphill grade. Who the heck would fake that, not knowing if anyone would see them before all the snow melted?

I bet you would have done it too. Not me in the A-10. Have scared of few truckers and people in cars flying low level in the B-52. That thing is loud flying over you at 500 feet. If they knew how many parts it sheds flying they would not be driving there. One of the most interesting buzz jobs I did was officially sanctioned. There was a Russian Cruiser out in the middle of the Atlantic. The powers at be decided the US military should let them know we can find them anywhere on the planet. My crew was Harpoon qualified. So we went out to the last known position of the cruiser, located it on radar 100 miles away, and made a flyby at 200 feet above the water just off its beam. Our ECM gear all lighted up, with fire control radars, and when we were abeam we opened the bomb bay doors. We had no weapons to drop, but some nervous kid on missile launch or gun trigger could have made a bad day for us. I always wondered how many pants we soiled when the bomb bay doors opened.

Not at all. It has been a while since I read the doc but I do not recall the use of food to lure the BF to the trap. Show me a video of a bear climbing a rope for no good reason and then you may be on to something..

You shoot hamburgers!? What does the drive thru say to you? Do they hand the cash drawer through the window? Was there human tracks or snowmobile tracks around the Bigfoot tracks? I start getting excited when Bigfoot snow tracks are found virgin. Unless somebody rented a helicopter and build a twin pole stomper while hanging outside the door in winter? The physics start becoming hard to explain.