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@at: The Point Event Center, 7989 NE Salish Ln, Kingston, WA $50 Friday, October 11, 2019 6-9pm PST meet and greet buffet dinner $40 Saturday, October 12, 2019, 10am PST speakers Pat Neal Ron Morehead Sonia Zohar Thom Powell Shane Corson Rich Germeau

If I might ask, why do you believe? I have never gone searching intentionally and never had a physical sighting. I don't really want to run into one but I do pay attention to things. We stumbled across tracks when out picking huckleberries one summer in an area between Mt Adams and St Helens back in the 80's. I was a kid and although I had heard stories that my cousin told I had no idea until that time that they might be true. I've thought about it many times over the years because for me that was the defining moment when I actually believed that it is real and not a myth. The experience still stands up even today because the area was well off any road or trail. It was literally the side of a mountain in no mans land. One good rain and the tracks would have been indistinguishable. Most of my time in the woods involves scouting for game and signs of it for hunting trips, exploring and camping with my family in the summer months. A particular area I hunt has prevalent signs of activity with lots of elk traveling it. We have taken a few elk in this area. A few years back I hiked in well before light and while sitting there listening for elk and waiting for light to come heard a knock which I thought might have been a hoof hitting a fallen log but it was pretty loud. As I was sitting there 5 minutes later a tree fell about 100 yards from me making a real racket. No wind to speak of but there is a lot of deadfall as well as some tree oddities in this particular area. After light I hiked over to where the tree was and checked it out. I didn't see any clear signs but there were disturbed areas in the ground around the tree and it was a good sized one. I don't know why but I took it as a warning and left to another area. The hunt was ruined there anyway with all the noise. I have been back a few times since in the off season just to observe.

While I don't necessarily disagree on this particular point, if everything is a conspiracy, it's just as easy to say that nothing is. No. Just no. Another PGF would be great. I'm a believer. I want someone to shoot one so they can be proven to be real (or see if myself to become a knower and then I don't care what everyone else thinks). What was posted was pure BS of something moving in the woods. Ahhhhh, he has more. Ahhhhh, he has a BF festival coming up! Ahhhhh, he has BF shit in his yard. Get out of here with that crap. These people are in it for clicks which lead to money. If he was serious, he'd know he didn't have Jack squat and he'd keep trying until he did. A credible story, is testimony, ala what's been provided here by some of my favorite posters does more for BF than this bologna. / End rant.

And that's part of the reason this thread even exists. IOW, fewer Humans in the habit that shouldn't honestly need to be there just may increase any chances for getting one to science. The reasoning is the creatures will relax more in their habitat and even be more encouraged to expand their territory, especially where bears are fewer in number because of previous Human intrusions. One could even thing that pro-kill people would promote fewer people in the wild who are there just to get a glimpse of the creature. I see that "glimpse" as having become less and less likely as researchers more or less shoot themselves in the foot by being deeper in Sasquatch habitat in the first place- especially where sightings have a strong history in an area. It doesn't surprise me that what were once voluntary appearances by Bigfoot have tapered off to almost nothing. It's because I think these creatures are more sensitive to intrusion than bears or any other animal simply on the basis of higher brain development and it's time we seriously consider that aspect. What Bigfoot will tolerate is an unknown so no one really knows what the point of no return really is when it comes to Humans being safe in the wild. Sure, always give "regular" animals a safe retreat but we don't know what the safe margin is when it comes to Bigfoot. I mean at what point will they stand their ground and not in a good way- especially if trying to eat something in an area when hungry of if young are present and also hungry. We all know mama, wherever she happens to be or whatever she happens to be doing, WILL step forward for the sake of her young but we also do not know a Bigfoot mama's breaking point on that situation. I also think Bigfoot's confidence in where it goes and how it conducts itself needs at least a ten year boost without us interfering by being say, four miles in from a trail. This is essentially saying that we are forcing Bigfoot hand and it simply doesn't come off as something particularly good for us or fair and good for Bigfoot. My sense is also that it creates a situation that makes it harder for science and also for the ones trying to secure a creature for science. One really has to weigh what is important here is the long view as opposed to the more shortsighted "it's all about ME seeing one" viewpoint. I don't see that as being any good for the creatures or their living situation. As an important added note, members here only represent a fraction of who else is out there. I wouldn't be surprised if BFF folks that go into the deep woods would only amount to 1% of the total who are actually out looking for this creature.