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You are a citizen on public property. He can go spit.

Interesting because my experience has been that thermal has been remarkable even in the total blackness of night. Here are two videos of something as tiny as a chipmunk recorded when it was so dark I couldn't see my hand in front of me. I looked for years before I bought and I'd buy a FLIR Scout TK in a second. Cloudy? Who cares! No moon? Who cares! It provides opportunities that I believe night vision can't offer, at least at this level of investment. I ended up getting a Pulsar thermal which, in my opinion, gives you the best quality image per dollar in the hand-held monocular market. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtaIbiS9qM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbca0qjPIFY

They want to write tickets and get money. The state of Oregon just lost a lawsuit with several of their counties. The state is supposed to allow logging and give the proceeds to the counties involved. But they have catered to the no logging crowd and not allowed much logging. The counties sued and were just awarded several billion dollars in court. You should hear the state cry. The state allows only a fraction of the sustainable logging to be done. They would rather let it burn than log it.

I don't know.... possibly. I have a go pro mounted on a chest rig, along with a Flir case attached to the exterior of my pack and a small digital camcorder tucked into one of the exterior mesh pouches. I carry some other items in my pack when I am solo, but I am limited to what I can carry on my back for miles in the mountains. Seems like if that was the case, he would have interrogated me a bit more. He grumbled and walked away when I asked if there was a problem. Just seemed like a guy who didn't want to be at work that day. Who knows? Maybe I am on a list now and a DNR wet work team is fixing to take me out.

Yup. If true, the question then stands as to why that ability to communicate and pass learning and experiences down does not result in the adoption of greater use of tools....or even use of fire. Unless you have an intelligent race that has the ability to develop tools, but chooses not to in order to stay hidden from the dominant species on Earth. It seems if that was the case, then there would be at least a few outliers who went against the grain and attempted overt contact with us. Unless there is some form of racial memory/fear that is so deeply engrained in their species that it precludes that attempt. However, if these things are as fast and as powerful as some make them out to be, coupled with intelligence (and opposable thumbs)....then why was man not predated off the face of the planet? Again, every question just leads more questions.

Our former Director of the BFF is LEO in Georgia and two of our mods are also LEO. Our Steering Committee Chair Woman works for the Forest Service. @hiflier all they have to do is read the BFF to keep an eye on you.

Or under 1000's of meters of ice at the poles... I bet that there are things preserved in the ice that would make your jaw drop.

We honestly have no clue as to how incomplete the fossil record is... Your suspicion seems very plausible to me.

I think that's more or less right, but I suspect something a little older, maybe with some major gaps between it and any known ancestor we share with it. Pleistocene. Almost 2.6 million years ago 'til 11K years ago with 4 separate glacial maxima that created land bridges between Asia and North America, not just the most recent one we focus on. Who knows what might have crossed into North America in one of those earlier periods and been forced by climactic conditions and, without a large population to buffer out mutation, evolved very rapidly into something more different from its ancestor than we would assume? MIB

That's a perfect way to frame it, because to my mind the difference between the big picture of ancient hominids and modern hominids is that today we have exactly two groups living in diametrically opposed ecological niches and lifestyles. You can view that as conscious, unconscious, or a culmination of responses to pressures one way or the other; in reality it's probably a combination of all of these factors, but it makes a lot of sense that it would shake out that way, and really it's the only situation that would find us with a "them" still out there 'undiscovered' to us.

My thoughts exactly. Hence my response of *Is there a problem here?". I will say that we are getting an influx of city dwellers moving here though recently. They come here and immediately seem to get lost in the mountains on their first hike. I don't think that my image screams "millennial urbanite lumbersexual", but maybe he was just thinking "Here's another one that we will be looking for after dark!"

Not sure. The overall timberland was described as "substantial". The site itself was said to be miles in behind locked gates. The size of the property must be quite extensive because the family has a long-standing philosophy of only cutting areas every fifty years. So the nesting site itself hasn't been touched for a long, long time in which case , at an elevation of under 500' is truly temperate rain forest. No snow falls there and the canopy along with the understory is extremely dense. That's why it is such a physical struggle to get to the site, not to mention the steepness of the main ridge that the finger ridges extend out from. The site is on one of those finger ridges. Each finger ridge is separated b\y a kind of ravine or valley that drops down to the headwaters of a salmon stream. All of this was public information IF one listened carefully to the podcasts. My understanding is that the finger ridges extend out to the West of the main ridge. The huckleberry stand used to construct the nests lays along the head of the site's finger ridge which acted like a wall one couldn't get through without alerting whoever or whatever was out on the finger ridge. The last I knew of the project was that they were going to scout a second finger ridge to see if there was any evidence of more nest building. That's when the updates kind of stopped. After that everyone waited for the results to come in from the e-DNA samples taken from the soil from under the center of several nests. Disotell announced the results in December or 2018 but Meldrum announced the same results the previous September, 2018. The initial find made it to mainstream news organizations but the results did not as far as I know. Results? The usual animals in the region along with Human DNA but according to Dr. Disotell the samples were to degraded from freezing and moisture to show a novel primate.

Yup. I think that we do a pretty good job of threatening and intimidating each other in this community. The powers that be probably just sit back, watch, and laugh.

This is your MO. Abe and "Hey" were nearly 20 years apart with nothing in between besides an interesting shooting star. The dream was pure fantasy to make a point, sorry that went over your head. Im here because I don't believe all of the people who have seen BF are nuts. If all of that makes me insane, some of the people here are bat shit crazy. Not judging, of course.

If any of that could be true, it implies a language, or means to pass down experiences from one generation to another.

Let's meet in the middle. I can put you all up in Omaha.

I didn't plagiarize, BRB. Honest. I didn't see your post so didn't know. What IS good to know is that someone like yourself really thinks about this stuff. At least you know there are like minds here.

I mentioned this in another thread. The murderous cannibal Giants of Native American lore became the reclusive creatures that we know today once firearms arrived on the scene. So many Native tribes mention Sasquatch as a stealer of women and children, a killer and water of men. Flash forward to more modern times, and these creatures are reclusive and probably only predate upon humans when the opportunity to do so safely arrives due to the fear of firearms.

I jumped on it Friday. Amazon has the same price, so it shipped fast. Mine arrived about an hour ago and it's charging now. I haven't even put an SD card in yet, but I will try it out tonight.

Well that ain't fair!!

I have a night vision monocular that is pretty darned good for the price. As a NV scope it does need a certain amount of light to function well. It also has a 7-level IR illuminator but then we get into whether not not BF's can see IR illumination. The device has image as well as video capture, no audio. I really like the unit overall. Price? Under $150 and even for a Gen One I have been impressed. I also picked up a FLIR Ocean TK low end model and IMHO thermal is THE way to go. It also has image and video capture of course. Also, no audio. Together these two devices pretty much cover my needs with each one ranging out to about 100yds. or better. There comes a time when I simply have to draw the line on these kinds of things as far as upgrading goes. I did my research on both devices, knew what I was getting for the money and in each case they are a helluva lot better than what I had before which was nothing outside of a trail cam. The trail cam also does images, video, but it has audio as well an onboard review screen. All in all I think I've done well in my choices for what I do and the amount of time I get out there. I also had to weigh everything price-wise-and quality-wise for the area that I'm in and seriously think I'm well set up with the most bang for the buck. Total investment for the three devices? Under $800 over the course of about 4 years.

You don't need to reveal anything more because you already have revealed enough. You have figured out anyone outside the BF community will think you are legitimately nuts if you try and discuss BF in any other context than humor. Don't try to play it down either because this sounds like a mistake. If you are seeing Abe Lincoln and other weird stuff, hearing voices and having dreams as you say you are then take the logical next step because it's only going to more serious. Other people would grow a ponytail with whatever hair they have left and go with it. Doesn't seem like you are going to go that route so fix this while you can.