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Remember that the mad dash westward with wagon trains of folks started in 1849 with the California Gold Rush.The really big changes came after that. The Lewis and Clark journals, filled with amazing stuff, were most amazing to me regarding grizzly bears, which they didn't even know existed in 1805. Moreover, when the Mandan Sioux told them about the bears, they wrote things in their journals belittling the Sioux about their fanciful tales. But well before arriving at the continental divide, Lewis wrote that he'd rather face 20 Indian warriors than one of those damned bears again. In fact, Lewis got shot in the ass by one of his men during a dust up with a bear on an island in the Missouri River that they stayed on one night particularly because they thought it would keep them from the bears.

Thank you, but I don't have any questions. Like I said before, we agree to disagree. The only reason that the BFRO even came up in this thread is because of the negative responses two of the main members made online about the show that we are discussing. To me, that and other elements of the organization are indefensible...even if there are perhaps better parts of it that do not reflect the negativity of the whole. This field is not the private domain of the BFRO, and their online comments are distasteful. I would like to thank you for taking the time to respond to me, especially in such a polite manner. I appreciate it, and am glad that you are able to share some of your knowledge and passion for the subject with others just starting out... regardless of the vehicle of delivery. Let's steer this thread back to EB now.

It is not as simple as entertainment, this would imply that it is simply for amusement or " fun ". We put out wide range of material in the form of presentations, area history, noted behaviors, lessons on forest ecology, methods for identifying habitat, DNA collection, wildlife/man tracking, and exercises in critical thinking. We also get people hands on with new equipment, technology and introduce folks to ways of collecting information and data to get results. For instance, on my Olympics exped I gave a short lecture on spectrograms as a tool for finding and identifying species presence within a selected habitat, I also gave visual demos on how to use them and what to look for when going through collected data. . . . Does that sound like good ole' Joel Olsteen practice to you ? LOL The expeds can be as much or as little as the organizer makes them to be, the western chapter puts a great deal of their time and money into making the expeditions engaging and worth attending. I am aware of several organizers in OR and CA who feed the participants several nights also. I suppose if you just suck as a person you could do almost nothing and walk a couple groups down a few forest roads during the night to keep most of the organizers portion of the funds. We have had years ( the Finding Bigfoot era ) that we had loads of people want to attend, many these people wanted to treat it like an Alaskan cruise or fishing trip where anything goes. This did not serve the purpose of what the BFRO was looking to do, we are more angled to a form of education and awareness on the subject. You are correct that Matt gives the price hike as to dissuade the nuts, weirdos and less than serious. This is half true, you have to understand that the BFRO is trying to add technical/knowledgeable academics to the group, you have to attend a BFRO expedition before you are eligible to become a member. Smart people with a genuine interest and flexibility are what we are looking for to make ground on the topic, in my personal opinion there has been a slide back in this but I think that is about to change. Organizers come up with their own price points, are at 500$ and some are at 300$ per adult. We also set how many participants we are willing to have and if we wish to have additional investigators involved. We pay for all of our ( we being the investigators/organizers ) emergency gear, backup equipment, batteries, external hardware, presentation displays, audio equipment, media storage, gas and bathroom facilities. I probably made ( net ) around 750$ after all of my expenses related to the expeds, this does not account for my invested time. The BFRO pays for ZERO of what happens on the ground, the organization provides us with access to reports, some thermal imaging equipment and social media presence/platform. If you have more particular questions that are related I would be glad to respond over PM or by email nathanbronis@gmail.com , I am not looking to hijack the thread further.

Lol. That sounds AWESOME. Forget Bigfoot research. I want to go into the woods and look for THAT! Later, boys. I'm off to the Short Three Eyed Cthulhu Forums.

Yes, Joe! I wondered where it was, and it's up in your neck of the woods! When I watched the video I thought of you, and wondered if you'd camped that area. What a view!

@Huntster @hiflier You guys, amongst others, are the reasons I keep coming back. Not only the allure of unproven beasts, but the knowledge of much more. Kudos to the two of you and "cheers!" to the rest. Thank you.

Love this string. How do I download the video? That has to be up The Oregon Bigfoot High Way. I almost recognize some of the curves. 14 tent nights in 2019 down from 24 tent nights in 2018, most up the High Way. Didn't want to mount a winch, so I bought a come-along and went to the industrial wire store in NW Portland. They rigged me up with a couple of aircraft cables and a coupling if I needed length. I only had to pull myself out once, but helped some other folks the most notable being both a small truck towing a boat that the driver somehow managed to get both in the ditch up near the headwaters of the Warm Springs River. Had it for years in a box, then someone stole my handy winch and a bunch of other stuff out of my truck. Need to replace it for next "season." Happy Holidays Everybody ! Oh, I have a friend in central Oregon that has had a Z2 for a long, long time. He swears by it, and at it on occasion too.

Bison were natural prey for the grizzlies. Also remember, elk were plains-dwellers until driven into the mountains.

Some day in the future there will be a map of sasquatch range, and I bet it will be very similar to that map.

Lol. Old ones. Nothing new. My better half has a thing for the old ZR2s. She is fitting this one up for her off road vehicle for those hard to reach places. Just upgraded the tires and shocks and putting on new fender flares. Getting the brush guard, winch, and cb next. Not as swanky as a brand new vehicle, but it has character.

I have a bunch of friends who do that sort of thing around Mt Hood, in the coast range west of Portland, and in SW Washington, but they do not go alone. I used to ride with a spin-off from that group 15-20 years ago. The "buddy system" and a couple winches in the group has saved the day more than once. MIB

I used to haul wood chips for Puget Sound TL with my old Kenworth pulling a set of doubles over forth of July and Lookout passes everyday. Kettle Falls Boise Cascade plant over to Louisiana Pacific in Missoula. They made chip board. 105,500 lbs max gross loaded over and EMPTY back. I would chain up including drag chains of the pup trailer and say a little prayer at the top of Lookout pass which is also the ID/MT line. The Idaho side was always crummy. If you touched yer brakes going off the pass or turned yer jake on? The pup would swing out and try to pass the lead trailer. The only thing you could do was step on the accelerator. And pray that yer steer tires held going around the corners. It was a race to the bottom IF you could stay on the road. Essentially I wasn’t an 18 wheeler..... I was a 30 wheeler. And 30 wheels with no load on snow and ice sucks badly. There was always holes in the guard rail were some poor truck driver lost the battle and went in. One time it was a conex box hauler and the only thing that saved him was his tag axle on the trailer chassis. It hung up on the guard rail. You couldn’t see the tractor at all. The poor guy was probably hanging by his lap belt staring 2000 ft down into the canyon below afraid to even breath. Log truck drivers are the toughest though! I still have nightmares.... After that getting stuck in the woods with a 4x4 seemed pretty trivial.

It looks like a Indian woman’s head with long hair with a furry body standing next to a short three eyed Cthulhu.... Halloween?

I believe it would take more than just a man talking in a deep voice to duplicate the speech produced by “Nephatia.” I believe ThinkerThunker analyzed one of the sound bites and, like the Sierra Sounds, discovered that it was well out of regular human vocal chords. Not saying it couldn’t have been manufactured with some computer software or something but I’m still on the fence whether it’s legitimate or not. I do believe Patterson’s falling out with Daryl Strumm was more of a crushing blow to his credibility than anything else thus far. Patterson also tries to sell the “supernatural Bigfoot” mumbo jumbo with animals that can seemingly teleport between parallel dimensions and go invisible at a seconds notice. I think Sasquatch is nothing more than a relic caveman population nothing less. No supernatural powers, no teleporting, just masters at blending in with their environment. In my opinion these people who have developed this larger than life image of a magical sorcerer squatch have often created scenarios and stories in their minds and YouTube seems to be an outlet for them to try and sell it to an audience. Bigfoot Tony basically proved that this was the case with another fanatical story teller who entertained us for years with bogus tales of Sasquatches of the Ki’Hosa clan...

Truth, you are very predictable and easily baited. I have no need to out you but you answered the question precisely. You have issues, much worse than Mike P. If I was your friend I would offer to help but I'm just observing and doing my own research at your expense.