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I admit I, Wolfjewel, am an armchair Bigfooter. One good thing an armchair philosopher can do, imho, is keep encouraging folks to 👍listen with care to all sides 👍avoid labels 👍state your opinion or experience without fear of putdowns. When people use labels that pit “us against them,” that’s the surest way to guarantee both sides will learn nothing from each other. As a BFF member since 2016, I’ve read plenty of mud-slinging posts in the past. Happily, the public part of the Forum recently got cleaned up (yay!) and violators of the decency code banned. (You can get around that in the Premium section which I’ve just joined, lol.) In 2020 I’d like to invite all new members who wish to share a sighting or experience, to post as soon as possible. Since newbies can’t start a topic but only reply, I’ll ask frequently for their input to my query. Hopefully moderators will judge their sharings worthy. I’m so psyched to hear new voices!

I usually don't encounter a lot of extremely low intelligence types past the first natural barrier when I am out in national and state forests. Hunting season brings out a different and varied crowd on public lands, but the rest of the year not so much. That being said, regardless of someone's intelligence level, most people are concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and not what is around them...let alone going 20 yards off the marked trail. Anything could be out there and most people would be clueless.

Not the Bearcat of course, it's just there for size comparison. I'm talking about the worlds most powerful production handgun, the Smith & Wesson 500. (Yes I know the .460 can be faster but the .500 carries substantially more energy). Also pictured are 22LR, 45ACP, and 308WIN cartridges alongside the S&W500, 500 grain. I'm not really asking a serious question, it's just a lead-in to seeing if anybody has experience with this gun? I wasn't looking for one (though I have always wanted one), but it came up for sale BNIB for half-price. A guy can't afford to not buy it at that price! It's my first magnum handgun. I didn't own anything bigger than a 1911 in .45ACP previously, but have shot a 629 before. I know that it will be significantly more "beastly" than either of those. Picked up 120 rounds of 300, 325, and 500 grain Hornady and Federal for it - which may be enough for 3 lifetime's supply, lol. Anybody here own or shot this gun? What are your thoughts? Could it take down the big guy? haha It should be noted that as a Canadian, my chances of being authorized to even bring this gun to the bush are basically none.

Preach on sir. You are a knower, I'm a believer. I hope to be a knower someday. I just hope they don't take my ability to type clearly.

Twist I agree with you 100% . Upvotes and downvotes do they really matter Not really . They only matter if you are looking for that type of attention . I have been trying to get back with Natfoot since we might not always agree but that does not matter to me. Since he has taught me some thing special and that is grammar and how to write out better sentences. You have always corrected me and I have to thank you on that you arm chair bigfooter. I still have a lot to learn but give me time Natfoot and I will get better. You can keep mocking me all you want. But I have to warn you it just makes me stronger brother. Friend.

Mine has a flap that comes out of the zipper. You just pull the flap and it unzips. I respect Wyatt Earp immensely and accuracy is final. But I dont think most gun slingers of old were in the same caliber as people like Cisco here or Bob Munden or competitors in the Cowboy Fast Draw Assoc. or SASS, etc. Its true that targets dont shoot back but its all about muscle memory. I think the take away from Earp’s wisdom is that its great to be fast but you better not miss. In modern times a miss = no score. In those times it probably meant you were dead. Hickok and Hardin were both.

Armchair researchers are great people who do great work in this field. I say this since a lot of us do not have the patients as they do to go through reports. They have always been the ones who have been able to get into the details of the reports . They have been able to get the details of the creatures and the responses that the witnesses have given that some of us have not been able to catch. They are very detailed in information. Very helpful and full of knowledge that some of us may not gain in the field. They are of a different type of researcher that is always needed. Yes, so thank you for being a part of a large family that I am not sure if one really wants to be a part of it. I say this only because of the ridicule that comes in believing in this creature we call Sasquatch.

I like how lever action rifles are getting some modern updates. There is something to be said for the beauty of blues steel and wood firearms, but if you are using it in the field it is nice to be able to use accessories, especially a mounted light. 45-70 is on my shopping list for 2020.

You missed my points. Lets try again. 1) We are not on opposite sides. I absolutely don't go into the woods unarmed. 2) If you are going in after bigfoot, hunting to kill one, rather than focusing on self-protection, a rifle is preferable to any handgun. 3) The .500 is a poor choice of handgun for defensive use. The gun is heavy, almost 3 (25 oz vs 69 oz) times the weight of my S&W .44 (329PD). This requires a lot of extra consideration regarding holsters. Even with a good bandolier holster, I find that much weight fatiguing after a half day. It is not particularly shootable. The recoil makes quick follow up shots nearly impossible to deliver accurately. I absolutely agree, better to have it and not need it than the other way around. True for seat belts, PFDs, condoms, and handguns. Probably other things as well. Probability of a problem may be low but the consequences of having one are extreme. FWIW, I like the 10mm but mine is a single action revolver, not semi-auto. When I go to the woods, I generally pick one of a pair of .44 revolvers. One is around 25 ounces but is un-fun to shoot, the other is 45 ounces and, while "peppy", is shootable. The only time I don't take them is when I grab my .454. It's a beast to shoot, not as painful as the light .44, but it makes bigger holes through things. MIB

Recon chest rig for the win. I carry my Glock 20 with a rounding the chamber. Got a kydex trigger guard cover lashed to the attachment point at the bottom of the bag. Pops off as you draw the pistol. I am adding some additional paracord to the zipper that opens it to assist with a quicker open and draw.

If family and friends would simply listen to our experiences and knowledge of bigfoot, their curiosity grows and bigfoot goes onto their radar. This knowledge reduces the shock if they meet bigfoot in the woods. Knowing something about bigfoot can help family and friends to survive an encounter.

In order to become proficient with a particular handgun, you have to practice using it. A S&W 500 is not fun to shoot and is a one-horse show. Contrast that with a 454 Casull or .460 S&W from which you can shoot 45 Colt. That allows you to practice a lot without having to constantly handle the recoil. Go ahead and try shooting 50 rounds from the S&W 500 at the range. You won't be happy. You could shoot 200 rounds of 45 Colt from either of the above without batting an eye. My opinion might change if you reload and and could make soft loads. Otherwise, I'd go with one of the two mentioned above and I'm confident that with the correct ammo both would drop a BF in its tracks.

I like big bore revolvers. I've owned 35-ish .44 magnums since college, couple .41s, half a dozen .45 Colts, a .454, and a .480. I've put at least 50,000 rounds through my .44 magnums. I have fired the .500 **once**. I didn't like it. It's one I don't think I need. Understand conservation of momentum. When you fire that 500 grain bullet, the rifling rotates it one direction. That means the gun rotates the other. This is true of all rifled barrels, any sort of gun, but the .500 S&W is the only one where I could actually see and feel the gun rotate around the axis of the bore. The porting of the barrel is quite effective in controlling muzzle rise but has no noticeable effect on the "backwards" component of recoil. When I fired, it felt like my wrist, like for a split second, my wrist bones and the hand-ward end of my arm bones were slightly fluid. The gun came back, **hard**, while rotating, and while the porting did its stuff, so the muzzle did a crazy, incredibly fast figure 8 in the air. Like I said, I didn't like it. I handed it back to the owner, said "thanks", and went back to whatever else I was doing. Might be the only handgun I've shot / handled that I have no desire to own. My thought, honestly, is that's a foolish line of thinking: I don't think they are going to do anything that gives you a need to kill them defensively and if you are going on offense, looking to kill one, take a rifle. MIB

I talk about tracks and casts, audio I've recorded, about the bipedal, though unseen because of darkness, visitors to remote campsites. Remember, the thread is about family and friends. What you're saying may be true of yours. It is not true of my family. Some accept existence of bigfoot as a given, most are open to it, only a couple resist, and those appear to be from fear of what they suspect. NOBODY is apathetic. When it comes to my friends, all of them are curious what I'm doing if only because it's me that's doing it. Same as I'm curious about their cruises, travels to foreign countries, etc. That is what being friends is about after all. None of us live long enough to do it all ourselves so we have to live a bit vicariously through others just as they have to live a bit vicariously through us, otherwise we all live in a smaller world than necessary and available to us. MIB

Cocked and locked in a chest recon bag.

@langfordbc PM me for details on how to get a woods only carry permit in BC. I had one for my S&W 629 44mag for years.

I'm sending positive vibes for a good, meaningful thread. Wolfjewel, welcome to the premium section and thanks for supporting the forum, that way!

It sounds like at least a partly true conglomeration of an account that could have occurred. Whether witnessed by the deer-hunters proper I can't say. I do know it is possible these things were curious of the pre-dawn racket. I have heard the chatter and it is described accurately. I even had a close nocturnal encounter where the language intonations were just as this gentleman described, it sounded like one bigfoot was chastising or henpecking another one for doing something stupid or forbidden all in human-like prosody that sounded like a language that could have been like hearing a record playing backward. I am surprised the food items were picked up especially the citrus. I have not heard of many sightings where a BF does citrus. Apples sure. West Virginia is a hotspot and if they were truly 8 to 12 miles into woods and several by foot among them I could see where they would be in appropriate habitat. I have not heard much in the way of BF howls, only whoops, whistles, samurai chatter, knocks, pops and clicks. However it is apparent they have a variety of sounds and an 8-9 ft BF can pretty much make any sounds it wants whenever and wherever it wants, especially if they can move as fast as described. I have had two possible encounters with speed involved and they were barely seen as more than a black blurr, not possible by black bear or anything else I know of. Sounds like the young one was springing off like a deer. Thanks for pointing that one out to me I do not ever remember reading that particular report. Sounds like a decent book. How many stars would you give it? Have you rated it or reviewed it?

It’s easy to look at sighting reports and pick em apart. And things like audio files in which a pack of coyotes is being described as Bigfoot vocalizations. But do any of us have any close family and friends claiming to have seen a Bigfoot with conviction? Unlike some of you? I’m not a knower. But I would like to share a few stories with you. With the standard disclaimer that physical evidence is needed. My father had a cabin up by mount Index, one night while walking back to his cabin in the dark. Something large and grey crossed the road in front of him. Now he openly admits that he had been drinking..... but not that much. He said that it could have been a mountain goat. But he had never seen a mountain goat that low before and along the river. Dad was a prolific hunter in his younger days. Had a friend who sold me my engraving shop. She swore while coming back to Kettle Falls along the Kettle river by the boulder creek road she had a Bigfoot cross the hwy 395 right in front of her. Her husband is a good guy, but definitely gave her quite a bit of flak for sharing that story. But she has never backed down. She was adamant being a local it wasn’t a known animal. My packing partner who is also a member of the BCHA claims to have heard a frightening sound while riding his horse. He never saw what made it. I had some examples of the Sierra sounds and he picked out the sound byte that starts out as growls, snarls and gibberish and then breaks out into whistling as the closest to what he heard. He said that his horse was having none of it. And it freaked him out. He lives in Ferry county and has Bears and Cougars in his yard. No joke. One of our own BCwitness who I have met twice with in BC while doing some jet boat repairs up there had his own sighting. I respect him to the utmost as a woodsman and his prowess in the woods. And BC is BC.... it’s a massive province with most of the population living in one city.... the rest is mountains, trees and glaciers. I think BC is likely the best last place on Earth for the search. I have spent a lot of time in the Kootenay region as they call it, a lot of country up there. Like Alaska big....and as remote. Getting guns up there is problematic tho. Of course my own snow track story you guys have heard a million times. Do any of you have any stories to share of your own or others? Does having someone close to you a witness sway your own beliefs? Discuss!

As long as people don't start cussing, or making personal attacks, it will not be locked.

WoW ! A down vote for being positive towards armchairs researchers. Well that's a new one for me. I'll take it .

ShadowBorn, you are part of the bigfoot family, and have contributed many hours writing about your experiences. You are a hunter and have been in areas where bigfoot was creeping around. What you have learned and said about bigfoot, may have saved a forum member's life by teaching how important it is to stay cool and collect under a stressful sighting. I enjoy reading about your hunting and bigfoot experiences so stay with it.