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Its the latest gimmick in my opinion

Tip for anyone posting here because I see it often : if you want to get someone's attention and ensure they see your post, start to type @ and their posting name. You'll get a drop-down of all the names that start with what you type. They will then get a notification, like quoting a post, to say they've been mentioned in a thread. Just an FYI for all as I'm sure you've seen me do it.

We have, the late researcher Bill Dranginis, of Northern Virginia, was involved in sharing info about unique lice associated with BF hair; others have done mineral analysis and analysis of uncut hair endings, probably Dranginis too. He was a researcher extraordinaire and passed in an untimely way. Cutting edge, with his own sighting with an FBI agent witness. Not that the latter means anything in this day and age. No the real question is who researched the property for a decade to give them a lead

That day I was. That was the only time. I've been there 10 .. 20? .. times. I found one track. Quiet knocks following me around the lake. One time there was something wrong about a pair of "crows" I heard. Occasionally very creepy, but not very often. It's a place I like to go to "get away from it all." ALL of the all, not just exchange one part for another. Great little lake to fish. Though I have seen signs of other people, I have never actually seen another person there. It is an intensely distant feeling place, like being the last person on earth, and yet it often feels .. occupied. Not in a bad way ... usually, anyway.

Here's yet another example of why never to trust a lawyer, cop, reporter, or Hollywood producer.

Or....are you actually hearing voices of something that is using the sounds of the brook for cover? Lol. Pareidolia and other pattern recognition mechanisms were survival traits. Our ancestors could easily look at a saber-toothed tiger or other predator and easily recognize it as a danger. However, their fellow bipeds appeared extremely similar at a glance and could either be of the same family or tribe (friend) or from the next tribe over (foe). Being able to quickly identify facial features and determine the threat level was the difference between life and death. So, even though these traits often play tricks on your mind, don't entirely discount them. Don't let them rule your judgement, but don't completely ignore them either.

I figure Mayor signed on the bottom line of the contract without completely knowing the nature of the show, or perhaps while being misled in regards to the tone and fake nature of the show. I think she’s a legit researcher, who made a bad career move, probably drawn to it by her apparent affinity to the limelight. For me, as the episodes grew progressively more absurd, watching her was about the only redeeming aspect of the show. That mouth, those lips, and her cheekbones were calling me to learn the finer points of Taoist matchmaking!

I agree on the hyper analysis. At this point people either believe it or they don't. There is so much minutia bandied about concerning the PGF it makes my eyes glaze over...and I am obviously fascinated by the subject of Bigfoot. I can only imagine how someone only casually interested in the subject feels. Watch the PGF, read Mr Munns' book, and call it a day already.

Souvenirs. I have some rocks I’ve gathered from historical places we’ve visited, and I enjoy looking at them and wondering if pioneers’ boots touched my rocks. I doubt it, but I still enjoy them much better than a t-shirt.

@NatFoot Good Idea. Thank you for telling us.

DeWalt, I suspect the issue is associated with the requests that are made going in to the analysis. If a request is made that raises the broader issues you are highlighting, then the analysis that comes out may be able to report on at least some of these things. In my experience there is not enough specificity going in, and submitters rely on the experience of the tester to know what to look for. That experience may or may not be there.

Flocks of birds show because the signal return does not have clutter from a background. A radar return from shoreline shows hard terrain instead of meat sacks. Even if the radar could discriminate between terrain and meat/lungs the signal would be buried in the return for the 'harder' target. I guess that very high cost military systems may have the capability to detect meat sacks. Civilian radars operate in the X and S bands if someone wants to research further. On a similar note, 'fish finders' work in a similar manner. The sound beam reflects off of the air bladder differently than the meat. Aspect ratio is everything: sound beam hitting the fish longways or sideways. 'Sideways aspect' is the strongest return. Fish without air bladders are difficult to impossible to detect. History buffs can look up English developments as in the 1st radar on H.M.S. Hood and fathometers in the work called A.S.D.I.C. Unfortunately, the 1st verified radar target that the H.M.S. Hood detected was the Bismarck.

Here's the maddening thing about what happens in the forest with naturally occurring dead fall: Sometimes it at times seemingly defies the laws or gravity and probability. So, I try to stick to "slam dunk' cases before I attribute them to Sasquatch. ' You were there, and I was not, but since you asked my opinion, I'll give it. I don't see it, necessarily. I have been convinced that something with superhuman strength and hands has been assembling log and stick structures in the woods of NA for a long time. Many of these have been documented. I say this only tell you I'm not closed to the actual idea. Since this crossed and balanced timber could have been the top of the tree that stands above it, gravity is the most logical explanation. But what about the balancing part? Well, do you know how long it has been balancing there? If it only recently appeared, and would have had to have landed just-so, then yeah, that seems pretty remarkable. OTOH, if it fell at some at some undetermined time in the past, possibly with branches, limbs and other mass that merely weathered and rotted away? Not so much. It is remarkable how wood can lodge and then rot away to give you that illusion. Like I said though, you were there, I was not.

CW is continous wave. I think it mostly is used around military installations to detect human movement (think Area 51) You beam a radar signal at a section of forest. Most will be adsorbed, some reflected, and you watch a graffics trace of what gets back to you. Stationary objects would be just stationary postitive segments of the wave form. A moving bigfoot would appear as a return that moves across the trace. That could be computer processed to not show stationary objects. If transmitter is below a certain wattage then it would not need to be licensed. Above that it would. Without experimentation I am not sure how strong it would need to be to get a usable range. Certainly off the shelf surveillance gear would work but the cost would be prohibitive for most. Not sure if a boat radar would show a soft return like a biological entity. I think CW radars operate in the lower frequency, longer wavelength bands. You don't want to microwave cook what you are looking for. Longer wavelengths are not as damaging. That is how the microwave oven was invented. Engineers developing radar during WW II got burned sticking their hands in front of radar antennas. Soon they learned they could heat up their lunches. A laser could be used in the same way. That would avoid FCC license issues. It might blind a bigfoot that stares at it.

I know nothing about NAWAC but the tactics you mention might work with deer and bear but when you set up a blind in BF territory they probably watch you do it and avoid it as long as it is there. Certainly stalking something that moves several times faster is not likely to work either. As a former military aviator I equate tactics like that to getting in a Korean war era fighter like an F-86 and hunting for people flying F-16s. You might get a lucky shot but you will never close and achieve a kill on an enemy that is that much faster if they know you are there. An analogue example of lucky and clever tactics is that when the ME 262 German jets appeared over Germany, they were so much faster than the best Allied Fighters, that none were shot down until someone followed one back to their home base and shot it down when it slowed down to land. We need to find bigfoots home base and nail or learn about it there.

I got thinking that if I just had an algorithm I could fill up my merit badge sash with all the events you are supposed to have when you experience bigfoot. I flunked the test yesterday when I could not even name all of them. When you get all of them, do you get your bigfoot researcher Eagle Badge? That and 10 bucks will get you coffee at most Starbucks. I don't think a show with a solo Dr Mayor is a good idea. She may be packing, but as a small woman she is cougar bait. Besides you need other people for comic relief in a TV series. Ronnie was priceless explaining about bigfoots attraction to cemeteries.

If my dogs are calm on those nights so am I I always had them with me on camp outs alone.

The method used by the NAWAC are tried and true for other big game, so it just a matter of time before they have success. My guess is bigfoot knows they are being hunted with guns so they evacuate the area, then remain in their nocturnal mode. The fact that humans are clumsy during the night and bigfoots are very skilled navigating night forest, bigfoots have a tremendous advantage. Being rare and great nocturnal skills for not finding bigfoots As night vision gets better, the odd of finding bigfoot increase greatly. In 1977, during the night while sleeping out, my sketch shows what I saw for about 5 minutes. I was not looking for bigfoot, but it found me. The forest was partially lit by the moon.

I just checked out the Facebook page. It looks a lot different than it did a few days ago.

Anyone who has camped out alone near a brook at night can relate with that . One of my favorite trout fishing brooks you just start hearing what sounds like voices sometimes .

I think EVERYTHING was contrived. Certainly everything that forum members have been able to dig up information on has been found to be contrived. I’ve listened to a good number of Bryce Johnson’s “Bigfoot Collectors Club” podcasts, and I’m really surprised he’s as inauthentic as EB has shown. I’m not saying that I agree with his theories, but I thought he was legitimately looking for answers to the strange things in our world. Johnson is big on other dimensions, and seems to be trying to fashion a unified theory of the paranormal that incorporates other dimensions and human consciousness. I‘ll admit I’m somewhat entertained by the fantastic encounters the guests and hosts of Bigfoot Collectors Club discuss. For example, voice actor Greg Cipes related how he and Elvis’s grandson were taken up off an Hawaiian beach and into Elvis’s golden spaceship. And then, they were chased by black helicopters and black SUVs after Elvis’s spaceship was detected. I’m not making it up....and they were being serious.

The NAWAC have been trying for years doing exactly what you posted . They set up ground blinds with thermal and night vision , try to walk and stalk , still hunt them during the day with no success . I don't think it's that easy because you really really have to be sure before you fire that round. There's no do overs once you send that lead down range .

One of the things that Lyle Laverty says to this very day about the PG film is that he was suspicious that a pair of Washington cowboys came and got the film after others lived and worked in those woods for over a decade and found footprints and trace evidence galore, but never had a sighting. I know lifelong moose hunters who have never busted the 60" antler milestone, and yet my brother got a 67"er on the second moose hunt of his life. I've fished southcentral Alaska waters for halibut for nearly 40 years and never caught a confirmed >100 lb halibut. My high school buddy comes up and goes halibut fishing for the first time in his life. I catch two in the 90 lb class, he catches one over a hundred, and a 215 lb monster (weighed at the harbor). It really boils down to luck..........

They probably signed her up for a summer gig for some extra money. College for 6 kids is expensive. She could shelve her objectivity for 21 days. I can still remember her giving Ronny the evil eye when he was babbling about BF liking cemeteries. She was wigged out. Obvious that most of the cast is not familiar with the West. There are ghost towns and cemeteries all over the place. As long as she does not flat state that they encountered bigfoot she is probably fine. She just stated that the subject deserves further investigation, which it does. Meldrum has 5 kids if I remember right. That is part of the reason he does the lecture circuit and TV specials now and then. Hell I was sort of ticked off they did not find me when RPG got sick. Roger even knows me. I am a lot closer to Central Oregon than other members of the cast. Of course had they done that I probably would be so full of myself I could not stand myself.

Yup, and you missed my key point: There is no sasquatch study funding in any fish and wildlife agency of the 50 states or 13 Canadian provinces or territories. But they all have crime labs, or immediate access to one, and they would be dealing between state agencies, so "favors" instead of funding transfers can occur. If academia wanted to study the issue, they could do so infinitely easier than any fish and wildlife management agencies. Known to study every ridiculous idea or concept that some idiot dreams up, it shouldn't take a whole bunch of effort for a consortium of biology and anthropology departments to drop a few research pennies in a pot to analyze purported sasquatch evidence........but zip. Nada. Nothing. Therein is your problem.........

It's a family forum so I went ahead and deleted it . Member section it would be different

You guys are making sure she will never consider being a forum member.

You know how I tell when a news release is a waste of time? Probably the same way you do too. Any reference to Bigfoot in the singular, as in "We have spotted [THE one and only mythical] Bigfoot", is a hard pass. Like spotting a Sasquatch is like spotting the Loch Ness Monster...not one of a species, but the ONLY one, so how could it be anything but a joke, right? The omnipresent Bigfoot is only less peripatetic than Elvis after he died. I suppose if they keep it on this level, and it stays a joke, and nobody will have to think too hard. If I were a citizen of WA I'd be plenty pissed that my government can do no better than treat this as a laughing matter, especially if I had had an encounter with one. All the wahoos who comment and post memes of Harry and the Hendersons are little better, but at least they aren't funded by the taxpayer to hand out such drivel.

You're talking to a deer hunter

There is also such a thing as audio pareidolia, where the human brain interprets random sounds as having a familiar or sought after pattern. It doesn't get as much attention as visual pareidolia, but it exists. Even more interesting is apophenia, which is the human tendency to attribute meaning to random, unrelated events. For those of you who watched the Hellier documentaries, you will get what that means. Everything became a 'synchronicity' once they became fully immersed in the subject matter. Of course, pareidolia and pattern recognition in general is a survival mechanism. You needed to be able to quickly identify members of your own tribe when misidentification could lead to a swift death. Pay attention to what your brain is telling you in the woods. Just be willing to really look closely at video or photographic evidence to determine what you are really seeing.

There is a steady stream of newly interested people who buy lots of stuff. Personally, I think the PGF suffers from too much hyper analysis but it sells. Only the dum dums like what's his name, MK Davis, can't resist the urge to post on YouTube and get no returns instead.

well if you followed what I said, all kinds of noises are possible. Whether that matches what was experienced or recalled or believed to have been experienced is up to the interpreter - but probably not accurate. I don't believe you have any such perfectly aligned evidence nor did you try to understand what an auditory hallucination is. Sometimes a 5 second web search to confirm your tired attempt at baiting will work wonders before responding.

I don't have a complete theory but I am convinced this falls under the category of an auditory hallucination. Something is causing a noise but the way our brain perceives it causes it to sound like something else. The source of the noise is knowingly or not, interacting with the earth's magnetic field. Machinery sounds coming from the earth is a very old phenomena that people have reported since ancient times. This also fits experiences of people hearing different types of noises in the woods that can't be rationally explained based on the geography. Things like hearing people having a conversation that is barely inaudible (not Bigfoot noises) or far away, furniture being moved across a room, impacts and crashes, etc. The earth creates energy all the time and has varying degrees of electromagnetic resonances that can be excited by other EM discharges (like weather for example). This energy can take the form of sound that travels in unpredictable patterns. Since the earth is a natural conductor and our brain is electricity, we're like an antenna picking up electromagnetic energy. If the experiment was reproducible, it would be interesting to test what frequencies people hear these noises and when electronic equipment fails. I don't think BF is playing with metal. The depths and perceptions of the sounds are likely different with each experience. That soundcloud clip is interesting but like all things BF, doesn't provide enough clues to support a theory. I think these metal-like auditory experiences are good points of interest to support the possibility along the lines of an EM energy theory that has long been associated with BF.

I was ten years old in the summer of 1974 and my favorite movie was “The Planet Of The Apes”. I was thrilled to learn that in September of that year a Planet of the Apes t.v. series would arrive on CBS. I was fascinated by the special effects make-up of the apes by the master John Chambers. After enjoying a couple months of the new t.v. series, CBS aired a documentary called “Monsters! Mystery or Myth” about the Loch Ness and Bigfoot legends (at that point, I had never heard of either). I cannot tell you just how I felt watching the Patterson Gimlin beast march across that dry creek bed. I was amazed and dumbfounded. The sasquatch was so large and muscular, something that I had not seen in any of the Planet of the Apes movies. It felt to me, at that moment, that what I was seeing on the television was a real, living creature. For days I could not shake the images from my mind, and I walked away with the thoughts that the creature was some hulking deformed human that lived in solitude away from civilization that had shunned him (I thought of Patty as a male at the time as the documentary didn’t focus on or mention the breasts). Weeks later I bought a small paperback book from the school bookmobile entitled “Bigfoot: The Legend” and read it from cover to cover. Then, in 1976, Andre the Giant played a Bigfoot on the Six Million Dollar Man t.v. series and I remember being disappointed at the Hollywood sasquatch. Although tall and hairy, it didn’t look anything like the bulky, muscular Patty from the documentary, but did further my beliefs that this is a lone, freak of nature, that lived in solitude and hid from people. In 1977, Mr. Spock told me tales of the legend from the Pacific Northwest on the t.v. series “In Search Of”. So from 1974 to 1978 my interest was piqued in the Bigfoot legend until, in 1978, my family moved from the city and into the deep woods of rural North Florida. By eighth grade thoughts of Bigfoot waned as I became interested in the woods around me and the wildlife that surrounded our new home. Whitetail deer, Black bear, boar, racoons, opossum, rabbits, fox squirrels, bobcats were everywhere to be found and after a summer of mowing grass I was able to afford a Fred Bear Whitetail Hunter compound bow and aluminum arrows with razor sharp broadhead points for hunting. Bigfoot began to fade from my thoughts as I now had begun my own adventures stalking and hunting game with my bow and arrow in the woods and swamps of Northeast Florida. Now in junior high and on my way towards high school my interests where now completely occupied with girls and music and girls, and on the very few times that I heard mention of a Bigfoot, well, I had decided that the beast that Patterson filmed back in 1967 had to have died by now, and that would be the last of the “bigfoot” legend. Besides, that was in the Pacific Northwest and if any more creatures existed, they were not going to be found in my neck of the woods. I spent hundreds of hours walking through the woods stalking hogs and bucks, finding bobcat tracks (my brother eventually killed one), never, ever thinking about a sasquatch. Ever. I actually began to (because of lack of stories, sightings, and evidence) not believe in the legend of a hairy man-ape anymore. Leaving high school to start my life and family I never ever thought about Bigfoot again. Then, on a spring night in 1994, at 29 years old, my wife and I, with two small children in the back seat asleep, were traveling north on A1A which is a coastal, two laned road winding along the coast near numerous beaches, at around midnight. There was no moon out but it was a clear night. I had the music playing and I thought that my wife was asleep as well. There were no other cars around, and I had just rounded the bend near the Big Talbot State park, which was a full beach access with camping areas, grills, picnic tables and dumpsters. A1A was about 200 yards west of the Atlantic Ocean. Then, in the distance, I see what at first glance is a Park Ranger standing in the grass about 4 feet off the road to my left, his tan-brown uniform lit up by my high beams. Instantly, the form began to walk across the road toward the ocean. As I was driving about 70 mph I was closing on the subject rapidly. As I got closer, my mind went through a series of thoughts in about 4 seconds. It was as follows; “what is that park ranger (very tall park ranger) doing at this time of night?!” to “why is someone out here in the middle of nowhere with a Chewbacca suit on?” to “oh my God, what is that?!”. I had to slow down just so I wouldn’t hit it with my car. As it walked across the road (never looking at me, almost not even mindful of me), I got within 40 yards of it and came to a complete stop as I watched it cross me and walk right into the scrubby brush of the sand dunes (DuneBeast) and disappear. At that moment my wife (which I had assumed had been asleep) said “What was that?”. I said very slowly “I…don’t….know.” Then, she said “Was that a Bigfoot?”. And then at that moment, reality hit me and I was stunned. I answered to her “I guess so.” It was all surreal. I was almost in shock. I backed up the car and turned my headlights into the spot that it went into the dunes and pulled up as close to that spot as I could get. My car was now literally blocking the right lane of the road facing the bushes and dunes. I got out of the car and looked for footprints. My wife screamed “What are you doing? Get back in the car”. I started to walk up into the woods to see where it went when a cold chill hit me and I realized that I don’t want to come face to face with that huge thing in the dark…what would I do? I jumped back in the car, backed up and drove off. Looking in my rear view mirror it was pitch black…no streetlights at all. I drove home the rest of the way in complete silence….probably in shock. My wife and I never told anyone. I couldn’t believe that there was a Bigfoot type creature on the east coast, and in the south! The sighting haunted me for ten years until in 2004 someone told me about the BFRO. I made a report. My interest was now overflowing with the Bigfoot phenomenon. I started researching like crazy. The BFRO investigator told me about this site, and I joined here in 2004. I moved quickly up the rankings and enjoyed the forums every day. Eventually around 2008 I once again put the Bigfoot experience on the back burner as telling people only made me seem crazy. If my wife had not seen it also, I would think that I was hallucinating. But I wasn’t. The sighting still haunts me. I’ve been back to the site on many occasions, in the daytime, looking for clues. Nothing. This Bigfoot that we saw, it was very tall and very muscular, but lean, not bulky like Patty. Like a very large muscular basketball player covered in 4-6 inch light brown to tan hair. Anyway, after not being here in over ten years, I decided to rejoin (my profile had been deleted at some point I guess). So now I’m a Newbie again and look forward to hearing all I can about this legendary beast. Thanks for listening…here is the link to the BFRO report: bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=8514

;Redbone, that is quite a sustained call, I wonder if it is a bird? It sounds a bit like a whistle then bird-like toward the end? MIB, you're definitely getting whistles? I did a search on this forum, trying to read up on the whistles people report. I've read about not whistling at night or in the forest. I think I'd be startled if something in the woods whistled a response! (Luckily, I can't whistle.) Your recording is baffling, too.

Madison5716, I forgot to mention that in addition to Stan Courtney's site there is a great YouTube channel by Lady In Waiting, her channel is bigfootresearch. She has a lot of videos of her recordings. Unfortunately, I just read that she passed away in December. She was gutsy and had some really bizarre recordings. If any of you like to hear audio, it's a great channel. I'm very sad that she passed away.

We can’t find and study bigfoot because we’re trying to find and study Bigfoot. The approach has to change. If you get teams dedicated to shoot and kill a Bigfoot rather than seek to have a sighting then you become a lot more tactical. Think how much stealth and planning goes into hunting big game. Meanwhile we expect to waltz into the woods and just find a Sasquatch. They’re playing chess while we’re playing checkers.

Yes! Depending on how complicated the show is, there are months of prep, then shooting it, then wrap. I'd guess 3-6 months went into these few weeks. "Bigfooting" in Hollywood is entertainment not research. If someone was truly interested in filming research beyond the YouTube level like most folks can do, you'd have to be self funded and create your own production - but you'd still be on YouTube. Or, make the show on your own dime, and then try to sell the whole thing as a web series or something. I know studio production. I am not familiar with web and indy production. Most of that began after I left 16 years ago, and the industry is growing exponentially. I'm sure SAG, the DGA and WGA are having kittens trying to keep up, lol, with the legalities and technologies!

Hello! I have yet another question for those who are interacting or have interacted with Sasquatch, unsure if this has already been discussed. I'm wondering which bird calls are being attributed to Sasquatch in your area of research? I know many people hear diurnal birds at night (and reverse), owl calls that don't seem to be from owls, etc. Have any of you experienced such odd bird calls and is it common in your research area?