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In 1976 I drove from Surray to Beaver Creek (at the Alaska border) with a declared Winchester Model 70 30-06, unsealed, and with a box of ammo. At the time, if I had a declared handgun, they would have sealed it and allowed me to pass. Ditto 1998 when I took a motorhome trip with my family through Canada (west to east). That trip I had a declared Remington 870 shotgun (and 00 buckshot ammo) with an 18.5" barrel and extended magazine. The border agent did not seal it, nor even ask to see it. In August, 2001 (less than a month before the 9/11 terrorist attacks) my wife and I were turned around at the Top of the World border despite having hotel reservations in Dawson City. No firearm was in my possession. I admitted a criminal conviction 23 years prior when asked. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks the Canadian government liberalized Muslim immigration from Asia, and hardened American entry. It costed me a $1000 "administrative fee" for a "pardon" from the Canadian government for a crime committed in the U.S. 37 years before the pardon application. If I didn't desire tthe legal ability to drive to and from the Lower 48 states from Alaska, I never would have paid them for their absolution. Indeed, they even tried to get me to pay it twice (which I did to get the pardon before challenging them.......to their credit, they did refund the second $1K). I will not be party to starting an insurrection in the U.S. over any issue. But if "the other guys" start the party? I'm in, with enthusiasm, and I'm all dressed to dance........

My only reply to that is .. GO. GET to the CHOPPER!

LOL...... My legal standby is a hunting license and wild pig tag. That legalizes my possession of firearms. A game warden could never get a DA to prosecute me for illegally calling with a recording of kids playing and crying. Even if I told him I was calling a sasquatch, he has nothing but trouble if he screws with me.

So, going along this line of thought and some of what @ShadowBorn has said, it is entirely possible that they were setting up to hunt that particular area. Even if the client wasn't bowhunting, knowing the distance is useful. Hunting out west, it's not unusual to sight in a rifle for 200 yards, so at 47 yards the bullet may be impacting a couple of inches high. May not seem like a huge difference to some, especially looking at the size of an elk, but it can matter and for a trophy hunter who might only get one shot at the elk of his dreams, it can certainly remove some guessing in the situation. I would wonder if this was a situation where the creature felt hunted and decided to turn the tables on the hunters.

The danger in thinking you understand something and taking on a PHD or geneticist is that it is very easy for them to dismiss you without even hearing you out. I suppose it does not hurt to try. Since I am aging my field days of chasing BF are numbered. I am evaluating more passive methods to draw them into me. Need something to attract their attention from a distance, something interesting for them to see, and something to keep them coming back. So far the best thing I have thought of is sort of a food bank approach where several items in fairly large quantities are made available. Try out different things and see what they cart away. Gifting has to be in large enough quantities to draw in more than one individual. Just getting them to congregate solves several problems and opens up possibilities with DNA collection and photography. Work in progress in early stages.

I do not subscribe to this idea that BF is infallible, to do so is making BF out to be a monster akin to the ninja of the woods ideology. We need to get away from that way of thinking because it only serves as a means to explain why we cannot find one. I do agree however that if a rock was thrown in this manner from a bigfoot it would be a sign of "get away from me." Death or not, it wanted to send a message and retreat to safety most likely.

new member here. just very interested. will have questions

Nancy Frye, Kitsap County, WA, USA. Been interested in this topic since I was a kid. At this point I don't think there can be any doubt that these things exist. Exactly what they are is open to debate, but I do think there appear to be varying types. Attended the Sasquatch Symposium in 2019, recently, and that really jump-started my interest. The more I learn the more fascinated I become.

Bigfoot is on the prowl tonight!!!

That's what I've been trying to explain, ShadowBorn. I truly think there is a way. We know what to look for. You have to admit, there MUST be something that gets seen in a sample that tells a scientist that it's Human DNA, Right? Some marker, or gene, or protein, that Humans have and that must always crop up in order to even call a sample contaminated. What tells a scientists that the DNA doing the contamination is Human? That's what I've been talking about WRT to these NOTCH2 genes. Great Apes have two genes that we don't have. We have four genes that Great Apes don't have. Set up an environmental sampling kit that will test for the genes, or proteins, that are unique to one species or the other- Humans or Apes. We don't need Sasquatch DNA in the GenBank to do that. We DO HAVE the genomes for Humans and Great Apes, however, and so......If a sample comes back with suspected Human contamination but it DOES NOT contain one, or all of our four, of the genes unique to us, then the sample was contaminated by....another type of North American primate. In other words, we USE our own Human genome for comparison to the contaminated sample. If our genes aren't there? Then science has just discovered a new (to them) North American Ape. TBH, I don't think I could clarify this any better.

I have to disagree with it's intentions on just scaring them . Again all we have to go on is his word with no way to really verify it but this was lethal . I know they have been known to throw pebbles and small stones but a rock the size of a bowling ball landing inches away ... I'll give you this that maybe the creatures misjudged the distance and made an error in getting this close to them . That's the only way I would agree it was only trying to scare them . If that didn't happen it was a lethal attempt that failed . As to why it didn't chase them off the mountain . If they are staying there they see how those bang sticks tear the flesh off of elk .

If these events are true and happened as the guide said it sounds to me it tried to kill them.

You touch on a major issue SWWASAS, if Bigfoot is as rare as I believe it to be even E-DNA is a needle in a haystack. It has uses but maybe not as much and easy as Hiflier lays out. Where I do see it being a viable option is situations like the rancher in CO. In another thread or Marks situation in OK. Take a hotbed site and test around.

What could be cool would be someone on the Forum who could make some small portable units and sell them on the BFF? Just designate the models of the recorders and mics the dishes are set up for. Members could then purchase those items on their own and just install them. Or, just get these for about 8 bucks: https://www.caufields.com/jumborubberears.aspx

The Canadian government has been testing the waters with confiscation for a few years. They select one or two rarer guns, of which only maybe a few dozen might actually be in possession of a gun owner, reclassify it from non-restricted (unregistered) or restricted (registered) to prohibited and demand they be turned over to the RCMP. I presume that they carefully gauge the response, and the next year move on to something a little more common, and so on. What is coming now is scary. They have openly stated that AR-15's will definitely be on the list, a list that they are keeping close to the chest to prevent the buying frenzy surely to follow. They have the authority within our Firearms act to reclassify ANY firearm by Order In Council (roughly the same as an Executive Order) and demand their confiscation. Only a change in government can result in a reversal. Unfortunately our "Conservative" governments, when they do get in power, refuse to overhaul the Act, which they have claimed they would. Anyone who doesn't appreciate the value of the Second Amendment, needs to look no further than their northern neighbour to see what happens without it. Canada is a country of many privileges, but few (if any) true rights.

When it's time to bury them, it's time to use them. This post is the best argument ever against mandatory registration. Good luck to our neighbors to the North. It would suck to live in the wilder areas of Canada and be disarmed at the whim of urban dwellers.

It has been getting progressively more restricted for decades and we are actually on the verge of a massive confiscation, to be announced any day now. It's believed that virtually all semi-auto centre-fire rifles will become prohibited and expected to be handed over the government. It's rumoured that they may even ban certain ammo. AR-15's are registered so they know who has them. It will be tough call to decide how to proceed with them as when the RCMP come knocking for your AR and you don't have it at home - you will lose ALL your guns, and your "privelege" of possessing them in the future. There could be more than a million unregistered semi's that may simply get put away, and never spoken about. Difficult times ahead.

I love Canada. My grandfather was Canadian. But I just could not fathom someone as a authority giving me “permission” to defend myself. When did all of that gun control come to pass? In the 60’s? Canada wasn’t always that way... Im glad yer still here bud after that charge! Would you rather have had the 44? Or the 06?

Welcome back, Gunny! I am in South Carolina myself.

They do not miss and will hit their intended target. If they were baseball players they be the best pitchers any team would ever want to have. The same would be with outfielders. They just wanted them off that mountain at that time. The guide kept giving guided hunts with other incidents and yet he is still alive. So there was no intentions of bringing harm to these hunters. As we can see by the other guided hunts that he guided. We can argue this over and over and yet there will be no winner on who is right. But we have history of these creatures behavior and there has only been very few intentional kills done by these creatures. Those intentional kills have all been hear say. Even 411 cannot even prove if these creatures are what are the cause of the missing. So I can not agree that this was a lethal intention. All I can say is that it scared the crap out of a seasoned hunter who has hunted big game all over the world who has payed big money. It scared him enough to not come back and take a trophy like a bigfoot which would have brought him fame and fortune.