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NatFoot.....You sure about that? Because the way I see it, we can't afford to declare anyone's efforts futile. For one, we have no way to be sure at this point. Two, they are going to be doing it whether we think it is useful or not. Might as well not rule out the possibility that they might come up with something worthwhile. Finally, I'd say that anything with thumbs and the brain to operate them is capable of manipulating anything in the environment within its reach. This seems to be something nobody can reasonably dispute. You saying you have certainty as to what a BF would, and would not care to do with its time strikes me as pretty bold. Do tell..what is the basis of that opinion?

Documenting piles of sticks in the woods is not documenting Sasquatch behavior to learn more about them. No one knows if they make them or not. If that's your hobby and you like to think maybe you're seeing something special, that's fine too. But you aren't documenting species behavior.

Norseman...obviously we aren't talking about a Goodall/Fossey level of study. I could answer your question with another question: Who, exactly, does the hypothetical researcher hope to prove it to anyway ? The answer to that often is: Nobody (including themselves...because they already know). This is the point. There is also the very realistic hope that once the species is confirmed, there will already be data to give the world a leg-up on behavior and habitat, etc. I don't consider that a waste of time. I think you might be hung up on the lack of confirmation to the point that you think all other inquiries or field studies are illegitimate or a waste of effort. Tell that to the folks a NAWAC, who are doing good science and not giving a rat's what science says about it, or you either I'm sure. If that stuff didn't matter they wouldn't do anything but sit in their blinds and clean their guns, but they do a whole lot more than that, even without this proof you talk about. Should you let them know you are ready to fit them all for straitjackets?

I will do that. I am actually planning a trip for a weekend later this month for my granddaughters spring break. Thanks for the laugh . They have been after me for years. The giant in the video seems to embrace his height . I am not a fan. My knees ache,nothing fits, The world is engineered for average size people.

I have been researching infrasound detection gear. I was hoping to find something off the shelf that was not really expensive. Rion has a hand held infrasound detector that is capable of recording wave forms down to 5 HZ. I contacted the company and got a quite for the device. The device, with recording SD card, software to analyze what is found, costs $11,000 dollars. Calibration to meet some standard costs another $1000. While 5 HZ is well into infrasound, it is above what I detected with my digital recorder. I did find a microphone that can record infrasound down below 1 HZ. That is $1400 including a preamp, but the specs do not spell out what you hook it up to. I suspect it is an oscilloscope but the manufacturer has not confirmed that. Pocket oscilloscopes are available for under $100 that can record waveforms down below 1 HZ. The two would be reasonably portable, and light enough to carry in the field. So good gear, is available for around $1500. Many many sound meters are available for under $100 but looking at the specs most have a 20 or 30 HZ low end cutoff. If you do an amazon search for infrasound detector, you get dozens but none are capable of detection down into the below 20 HZ range of infrasound. I do have an Intec infrasound detector. It is barely portable, weighs a couple of pounds, requires an array several feet long, and it drives a computer that needs to be a laptop to be portable at all. Campground type of gear and not something that anyone would want to pack around. It uses barometric principals to sense the infrasound waves. Its designed purpose was detection of infrasound pressure waves created by earthquakes, thunderstorms, and tornados. The software is that used by geologists for recording earthquakes. While the barometric concept could be used on a more partable device I have not found an off he shelf device that uses it. Those that I have found, have a cutoff on the low end above infrasound (30HZ). So it looks like to get something below a couple of hundred dollars something has to be developed from scratch using a microphone concept or barometric device. I think that possible but have doubts about how portable it would be. I don't want anything that weighs more than a couple of pounds that I cannot carry in my pack. Some low tech devices might detect infrasound but are not going to record it. I mentioned some smart phone aps that claim to detect and even record infrasound but have not played with them. One for android devices seems like it is designed to spy on the user. Anyway I will continue to work the problem. It is both an engineering and cost challenge. The most likely route to both detect, and record wave forms is probably using a pocket oscilloscope being fed by a barometric or microphone device. To get the cost down the barometric or microphone device will have to be fabricated. I have no desire to produce products to sell, because of licensing and other factors, but will be very open about how to construct whatever I come up with. Stay tuned for that.

Norseman, I'd say then , at the most, they are only wasting their time. That doesn't violate any tenet of science or rule of law that I'm aware of, so you might want to ask yourself why you care. Thing is, there are a whole lot of people out there who have drawn their own conclusions and have come to realize that waiting on Science to acknowledge something they know for a fact to be true is even a BIGGER waste of time and they've just moved on to finding out as much as they can before they die. Some day we might be grateful to these people that they felt this way. Or maybe they die in obscurity having squandered their life doing something foolish. Who knows which it will be? If I did I would be at the OTB parlor right now instead of here. I can say with some certainty though that they do it for the same reasons people do most things: They can't help themselves. That YOU think they should be operating on a higher level of scientific rigor and not putting the Sasquatch before the cart is your trip, not theirs.

Either the beast exists? Or it don’t.... If it exists? At some point? There will be proof. It’s a mathematical certainty. If it doesn’t? Then a lot of people need to go into padded rooms......yes. If you are a Sasquatch researcher? And you do not care about proof? Your not doing research..... your camping! The bedrock principle of western science and our entire civilization!? Is testable repeatable results. It’s given us cell phones, X-ray machines, microwaves, direct tv and about a gazillion other inventions. Being a knower isn’t enough..... you have to be a prover! I’m soooo sick of hearing this cop out. It’s just a circular argument. People ascribe things to Bigfoot all the time without a shred of evidence. Footprints, stick structures, howls, etc. How do they know that Bigfoot is responsible? We need scat, hair, saliva, blood..... or a body. Even a fossil would move the chains.

If Elk had wings...

If you CANNOT prove the thing real? How are you documenting it? If Jane Goodall and Diane Fossey disappeared into the jungle for long periods of time and claimed they were documenting an unknown ape? Without proof? They would have been committed to a white padded room....

If that image is indicative of the photo quality of a Bushnell game camera, remind me not to get one.

Absolutely, and this is why I don't identify as a "researcher" per se, because I'm not in it for proof so much as understanding and experience, but this is exactly what has increasingly irked me with Steve as he's doubled down on this avenue further and further with each video. He sticks up for witnesses and derides researchers, failing to realize that researchers are witnesses. When you consider that fact, his stance that the goal of actively seeking sasquatch in an effort to understand them is somehow pointless or wrong seems incredibly childish as he hints over and over that he knows ALL about what they REALLY are...... but he just won't tell you yet. Stay tuned!

Agreed. He's a sideshow at this point.

We have two threads dedicated to a guy with a opinion. No proof and attacks nay sayers who ask for it. Dont worry about this guy or what he thinks, go do your thing! Another guy with pretty back drops is mountain beast mysteries. Cool dude! And not a lot of drama....

I’m scheduling my next week trip to northern MI, maybe I’ll bring back a blurry pic or vid. Or not, either way, I’m camping and I win.

You don’t like his approach and he may not like your approach, so what? Maybe he agrees with me that. I mean if we believe this is a government conspiracy how likely is it a random Joe walks into a gov’t agency and they just spill the beans. You always pick a topic or subject and beat that drum in every thread and then get fed up when others to join in. It’s wash, rinse, and repeat. Your SRN, letters, e-dna etc.

I popped into the forum of a well known Sasquatch podcast to take a look around... It seems that every other recent thread on there is concerning Howtohunt. It's split between people who think that he is some sort of Bigfoot Messiah and those who are offended by his mannerisms or because he insulted their favorite pet researcher. He is definitely making waves in the community.

He's used other silly images as screen caps before, so that photo wasn't too surprising to see. I've noticed he at least acts like he believes every photo and story he shares despite some of them being highly questionable. As his channel grows, he only becomes more of a target for people who may look to deceive him. It's possible that with some of the stuff he shares that he doesn't fully believe it but feels it will make for interesting content to draw people in. Also, it goes along with his whole claim of being supportive of people who say they have seen bigfoot/other strange things. With the trail camera photo in that same video he kept going on about how difficult it would be for someone to fake it. He kept mentioning how hard it would be to physically make something like that and set it up for a camera. However, it seemed like he missed the extremely obvious possibility where it could have been a distortion created by the camera itself or an edited image altogether. That whole assessment left me wondering how good his judgement actually is when it comes to all of this stuff.

I grew up right at the WV/VA border. I have family in some of those small mountain communities like Thurmond. Lots of stories of wooley boogers and haunts up there.

The image of the walking "bigfoot" is 100% a vectored cnc cut out, I own copies of the file and we use them to etch cups and wooden plaques. The Buck in the tree could be a winter kill but it would have to have been in the right place for that scenario to play out. Weve found deer in trees here in the mountians of WV where a record snow fall is around 4ft. So that would never apply here. Flooding can account for some of the other remains in trees but as a former disater relief worker I dont see any other indicators of a flood in the other trees. We had a massive flood here 4 years ago and the trees are still mared. Other weather phenomona could be at play though so we cant count it out. The trail cam image is interesting for sure, that one will be fun to look into. As for things in trees, when I was in high school a friend of mine was a **** hunter and night one of his dogs didnt come back. Inwemt out to help him track the dog, we found a pretty large game trail and followed it almost a mile before finding some remains on the ground, and. The rest of the dog 18-20 feet up a beech tree.

I got out for the day with 2 members of our group, Thomas Steenburg, and Robert J., in Robert's very tricked out Toyota Tundra. This truck has it all for getting out in the back country; 6" lift, custom heavy duty suspension, 37" AT tires on 20" rims, winch on custom front bumper, and LED lights every where! We had a dashcam and 2 go-pros running while on the trails, and cameras at the ready while out of the truck, but with nothing to show for it but some scenery shots. Our route took us into our restricted access area on the N side of the Fraser River, where we encountered more snow than even supertruck could handle, so Plan B was up the west side of Harrison Lake, where we managed to stay below the snow line. We stopped for several short hikes off the main forestry road, and Robert videoed a couple of interviews with Thomas at sites of local lore, which should be up on Thomas' YouTube channel after processing. I showed Robert some fossil sea shells in an spot I had found before, at 2500' elevation, that had been a seabed several million years ago, before these mountains had been pushed up. By 4:00 PM, the weather turned wet, and even colder, so we backtracked down the lake to pavement, and home. The day was not a total loss, as we had some spirited discussion during our ride times, and it's always entertaining to soak in Thomas' encyclopedic knowledge of all things Sasquatch related, and a drive through some interesting country, including the area of the aftermath of a large forest fire that burned though about 20km of the west shoreline 5 years ago.

Found by Sasquatch? Are they now predetermining random roadside crossings and encounters like @salubrious or being caught off guard to the point of getting pissed like for @SWWASAS?

Right. If what you say is true, they're not flesh and blood creatures.

Y’all just jealous you ain’t chosen ones! 😂🤣😂

Solve For Bigfoot. And go at it hard. Otherwise it's just thumb twiddling. I see no good reason for the latter.

Or, Skookum was merely an Elk lay, which it very likely was.