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For what it's worth, I have 100% heard him say this also and I too am sure it was on a C2C interview.

what makes you say that about it being a cover story for bigfoot? he has specifically addressed this so many times and given good reasons why he does not think its bigfoot. i dont understand the thinking here. one can simultaneously believe bigfoot is out there and sometimes caused problems and at the same time not think bigfoot is the only thing out there causing problems. also he did a whole book showing that these strange disappearances happen in the middle of cities everywhere too. how could Paulides thing bigfoot are responsible for disappearances in the middle of New York City?

I dont understand the argument for Paulides NEEDING to have a theory as to what it is that is responsible. I cant follow the logic of him not being credible for not offering an explanation. Why is he not credible? I see him as not jumping to conclusions without evidence. If evidence does not lead to an straightforward conclusion it is wrong to offer one. I think that is respectable. Being an author who reports on strange disappearances does not require having a theory about what it is. Why should it?

Indeed I do. Bill Miller and myself with John Green put out 2 articles concerning this nonsense back in 2009 and again in 2012 when it came up again. If you go to my blog site, thomassteenburg.com scroll down and hit January 2019. read posts titled "Here we go again" parts 1 and 2. Also I talked about this whole issue last night on Steve Kulls show. Thomas Steenburg

Funny how it is that in a team of 2 the lady can always manage to outvote...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhzAf3u85o I haven't seen this posted yet.Another guy supporting Isdahl's claims. It seems like all of the people in the Paulides circle believe this theory.

i don't think its that his perspective has changed. he still will not say what it is but he will say what it is not. i am pretty sure I heard him say this more recently on his missingcanam youtube channel. i dont think I have ever heard him on c2c. i have heard him say it more than once though. if you can find an interview about his newest work about clusters in cities you might get lucky and heaer him address it there. if i fun across him saying it again ill send you a link too.

Oh no, what did I get myself into? Now I have to sift through C2C episodes. 😉 I'll check it out. By now we are way off topic and this is a rehash of what is in other threads. Paulides has been adamantly neutral for years on theories for subjects he is promoting (missing persons). But when pressed for an opinion he will say he just doesn't know, which is what I would expect him to say this instance. Or maybe his perspective has changed now that he has had so many lengthy monologues on his YouTube to think about what he really believes.

It’s the largest wilderness in the lower 48. Over 2 million acres. But the Bob Marshall is huge as well. But they don’t allow airstrips and they don’t allow jet boats in the river. Idaho has a different vibe. And how it bleeds through with the USFS is beyond me. The Feds are usually lock and step. I prefer the use of back country strips and jet boats. I’m not a purist. I think ALL people should be able to access federal lands. Not just the young and fit.

Good stuff Felix. I watched another of your videos and enjoyed the apple being swapped for scat. That looked fresh. A DNA kit on hand might have led to a great discovery.

@trapper Just laid down to go to sleep and put the latest Sasquatch Chronicles on to drift off to. The guest had an encounter during a night hike with his kids in...Utah. Crazy synchronicity.

That was all the witness's account. Everything beneath 'his encounter below' is his writing. I know why he thinks that way, but it will derail your post with a quickness. I will message you. ETA. Nevermind. It was already posted above. The witness is a member of the LDS and yes, he believes that it is Cain.

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Trapper. There is a poster on another forum that I belong to that has mentioned his encounter in Utah several times over the past few years. While I do not know him personally, he does not seem to be interested in Bigfoot or the paranormal outside of his one encounter. His story has stayed consistent and never wavered for close to 15 years. His encounter took place near Midway, Utah...which I believe was is located in the Wasatch Mountain Range. I will cut and paste one of his posts detailing his encounter below. I have had several PMs asking me to give some additional details about our encounter so I'll post them here. I've posted them before but the get buried in the old posts. my wife, who was my fiance at the time, and I were driving around midway Utah (above Heber) late at night on a Friday looking for a cabin we had been invited to to spend the night with some friends. We got SUPER lost and were just driving around in the woods. I got kinda tired of driving around aimlessly and just decided to get out of there as fast as we could. I wend down a gully, came up the other side about 60 miles an hour and hit a sharp corner I didn't see coming, I slammed on the brakes and slid around the corner in the gravel, as soon as I cleared the corner, there was something HUGE standing in the middle of the road. I slammed on my brakes and slid to a stop. Standing right in front of us, in high beams, was the biggest humanoid I've ever seen. he had dropped into a crouch and half twisted to see us when we came flying around the corner. we'd clearly caught him off guard crossing the road. He was facing right to left and was sideways to us, slightly twisted back to face us. He was maybe 8-9 feet from my face in the high beams. I could clearly see his eyes, teeth, skin and hair. we locked gaze for a few seconds, and in those few seconds I can still remember the details I processed like it was yesterday. Long brown hair, fairly thick overall but very thin on and around the face. not a human face but not ape. the closest thing I can think of is the pictures of Neaderthal's in the National geographic. It looked a LOT more like us (humans) than an ape but the brow was heavy, very heavy jawline, flattened nose, high cheekbones, deep set eyes. The eyes were dark but hard to see the color because they were squinting in the light. the thing was frozen for a few seconds and then it slowly uncrouched just a little bit then took off across the road, three long bounds and then it leapt over this hedge of brush and scrub oak that was maybe seven feet high. It went over arms first, superman style, and never touched the bushes. the important parts of the encounter are: - this thing was 7 feet plus high. I would guess 7'2"-7'3". I can guarantee it's size within a couple of inches because at the time I was an offensive tackle at brigham young university. My best friend was (is) 6'8" and about 435. This thing was MUCH taller than Will. - it was physically enormous. The largest animal I've ever seen that wasn't a moose. it's biceps were literally the size of my thighs. At the time I was 6'5" and about 320. I have big thighs. It's biceps were that size. It's thighs were the size of my waist. I was about a 44" waist. - I have never seen anything move so fast in my life. After BYU, I went to the buffalo bills where I was the second team O tackle and I blocked Bruce Smith on a daily basis for the better part of a year. Bruce is the quickest human I have ever seen. It took me two weeks to even touch Bruce, let alone block him. This thing was easily 2x as fast/quick. I would guess this thing was pushing a 3.7 to 3.9 40 yard dash speed, maybe faster. It was hard to tell because it was so huge. It was so big it might have looked slower than it was moving. It covered an entire road and over some bushes in three steps. - I would guess it weighed 700+ lbs. It was simply massive. Still hard to believe even having seen it in very bright lights. as it ran off, I was terrified. There is something primal about looking at something so close to you that could *CLEARLY* destroy you in a thought. We were in a mazda 626, with an open sunroof, late at night, with a craptacular tanfoglio CZ75 9mm under the seat for protection. This thing could have ripped the roof off, and yanked us out and eaten us if it wanted to. I could not even talk. I was speechless. I finally decided I had hallucinated the entire episode and finally stammered out "did you see that?!" my wife, who had not breathed an iota in the brief time since we'd seen it could only reply "That was a BIGFOOT! Get us the he** out of here!" There was no thought of shooting it, it was too fast, too intelligent and frankly too scary. I floored the accelerator and didn't let up for a mile and a half until I almost wrapped around a tree on another blind corner. I still almost don't believe it sometimes, i have to check with the wife. I don't care if you or anyone else believes it. It simply doesn't matter to me. I can tell you that we were two newly wed, innocent mormon kids who have never had a drink, don't take drugs, and take honesty very seriously out for a drive and we saw a bigfoot. I have my theory as to who it was, and if I'm right, there IS only one of them. that would explain why there have never been bones. But I know what we saw that night, and it was a 7 foot plus, thousand pound animal who moved with the speed of an olympic runner, had a 45+ inch vert jump, a sub 4 second 40 time and moved like a ghost. I never heard a sound through the open window or sunroof over the ticking engine save the sound of the brush as he cleared it and a thump as he hit the ground on the other side. You may not believe in bigfoot, but there is at least one of them. Or there was in Midway Utah in the late summer of 1992. I am not sure why I tell people, as invariably people think you are insane, as I would if someone told me the same story, but it is the truth and I (an my wife) have incontrovertible proof for ourselves that there is at least one bigfoot.

Motives? You know what his motives are by watching his videos? I have watched many of them, and honestly couldn't tell you if his motivation is helping people or developing a successful YouTube channel. If he isn't interested in proving anything than why post up the 'evidence' that he has so far. I am not sure how that helps people who feel that they have been bullied. I do see how it gets views and subscriptions though. Anyone who claims to know his motives other than Isdahl himself is projecting their own desires upon this. More power to him. If he can have a success YouTube channel than have at it. I don't begrudge a man his success. But, let's be honest here. This is just more of the same name calling that seems to go in this community. This is nothing ground breaking. Someone said something mean about a witness, and now a guy is going to say something mean to them and then read an email off of his cellphone? The community is filled with nothing but bullies and a-holes. No matter what position you take, someone is going to come along to mock and insult you. If all it took to fix the problem was a few insults and read aloud emails, was it that big of a problem to begin with? Again, who really knows? I am not in either camp, belong to none of the groups, and really don't have a dog in this fight. I had high hopes for Isdahl, which fell pretty quickly. I do know that I find many of the same people distasteful as Isdahl, so maybe he is on to something. Heck, maybe he and Davis are right and they stacked bodies up like cordwood at Bluff Creek. The story doesn't make sense to me, but either way it doesn't effect me or my efforts to research in my little corner of the world.

I have looked at the various wilderness areas in Washington State from the air and quite frankly cannot figure out why some were designated Wilderness in the first place. Sometimes chunks of land near them are far more interesting. Indian Heaven is one of those. I have wondered if they are simply BF hotspots and by the wilderness designation, logging is avoided, road travel does not happen, and only a few backpackers make it in there every year. Back packers are easily avoided by resident BF and even if seen, the backpacker probably would just think it cool that they saw one. I have even wondered if the prohibition of low flights over the wilderness area is more to keep something from being seen from the air than bother a few backpackers who probably are bored with the trail anyway.

@spacemonkeymafia There other ways to burn brain cells then to listen to crap like what these people are talking about. You can just roll a big fatty and sit back and enjoy that and never worry about these jokers.

I mentioned this in one of the other threads...love them or hate them, Isdahl, Paulides, et al. have online support and popularity in orders of magnitude greater than most of these Bigfoot celebrities. I chalk it up to how unlikeable and elitist most of the more established folks are... We were coming home from an overnight outing and one of the little mountain towns we were driving through was having a Bigfoot festival. On a whim we detoured to check it out. We stuck our heads in to one of the presentations which was being put on by a member of the BFRO who I guess has some name recognition. All it consisted of was constant name dropping of other BFRO minor celebrities. People in the audience began to trickle out after about ten minutes. This is a field where very little has been proven, so it is easy to present yourself as an expert to those with a casual interest in the subject. It attracts a certain sort of person, I guess.

Most likely course of action for these creatures is. That they are being pushed beyond human contact which is way better then extinction or murdering off some ancient tribes of unknown humans. I would hope for the Gov to push them to places that are out of reach of human activity. Where only their kind can survive the harsh wilderness. To know that they are being killed to extinction would be a shame to who we are as human beings. Yet have not some already have ?.

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