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OMG, I effing hate autocorrect. Gigantism. Big ass creatures. Fixed it. 😂 Thank you for making me laugh @hiflier and @BlackRockBigfoot ❤

https://bigfootforums.com/topic/9985-erickson-photo-of-a-squatch-behind-a-stump/

While it's pretty clear that people will propose and demand absolutely anything, an ideology of basic human rights extended to the entire animal kingdom means no more meat eating. If such lunacy actually occurs, it won't be in my lifetime, and I doubt my grandson will see it. Just like with other higher mammals, people will claim the authority to dictate terms for them. That's what we have environmental zealots for.

I don’t think it matters if they are categorized as ape or human. The legal protections of humans is being pushed towards other species. Apes, Whales, etc. It’s just a matter of time. In fact one day it may include all species. That seems to be the trend. Not that I agree with it. If Sasquatch cannot speak for itself, petition government, trade in a nomadic lifestyle for 40 acres and a plow? Then it’s going to be treated differently than native Americans. More like an animal. Because it’s incapable of communicating with or meeting the government in the “middle”. There will be no buffalo robes on the ground passing around the peace pipe or putting X’s on parchment.... IMHO. Regardless they will be deemed a endangered species, due to their low population density. And that will change things in and of itself. A giant North American bipedal primate living in the modern age. You think Gorilla walks are popular now?

I need to grab a copy of this book apparently. You've sold me.

It's not my real name. It's my real texture.

Good point. Probably so. Before actually reading The Nature of the Beast I was led astray by how others described Sykes bear results.......the now famous 40,000 year old polar bear in the Himalayas. I often asked, what is science going to do now with that bear running around where it shouldn't be? Well, in the book, Sykes indicated that there are people out now looking for it.

I have thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth here, gents. Thank you!

WSA mentioned the documentary "The Lost Kingdom of the Yeti" and I did watch it. Not bad. e-DNA testing of suspected Yeti snow prints in Bhutan by a team of eight French and British scientists. Result? Bear, but I'll bet that documentary cost as much to produce as "Finding Bigfoot" and "Expedition: Bigfoot" put together. It backed up Sykes' "Yeti" studies on the bear side of things. What I came away with was a conundrum. Did the doc make it to the public because the result was 'bear'? Had it been the Yeti would the doc have made it out to the masses? By the same token, if Finding Bigfoot accidentally FOUND bigfoot would we know about it? I doubt it. So would any solid proof go away and Cliff, Matt, Bobo and Renea see pressure the likes of which they've never known? Just how serious is this idea that proof will not be allowed for the reasons (and more?) that we've covered so far?

Of all the reports (gathered privately, and which both government and the environmental industry cannot refute with their own data) involving hunters, the vast majority of hunters did not shoot the sasquatch. And of those who did, they did so thinking the sasquatch was another animal. Thus, "discovery" in and of itself will help prevent misidentification among hunters. Yeah, trying to get officials to admit anything in writing was guaranteed to put you in an unofficial record. Your name is among all those emails between officials that will never see the light of day. And that is why I won't challenge officials directly. It will achieve nothing but get me on an unofficial s**t list. Meldrum is the remaining scientific face, and he has been made the jester within the industry by opponents and the media. Mayor may be a scientist, but she took the sasquatch entertainment route. Her credibility is gone within science. I know nothing of Disotell, and have no desire to learn anything about him. Sykes is an interesting figure, but I think he's the flash in the pan. I think he correctly determined the North American phenomenon is a circus, and his Asian efforts actually produced some results, but those results actually just lead to more questions. I admit that I could be wrong about the effort here, but that would be because there are things happening that remain confidential. But he will produce nothing more unless Joe Sixpack delivers the goods.

"Not a recognized species".........yeah, that's some tell-all government-speak if I ever heard any. As a retired government official, let me translate: "Yeah, they're out there, but we aren't saying what they are." There's another check toward confirming that they're human. This is a huge aspect, and I find it interesting that you used Kentucky in your question. Let me explain: East of the Rocky Mountains, public lands set aside as wildlife habitat tends to be fewer and much smaller in size than similar lands within and west of the Rockies, and especially in Alaska, where over half of all national park lands in terms of acreage is, not to mention national forests, national monuments, national wildlife refuges, etc, ad nauseam. Thus, any lands to be set aside east of the Rockies for either a new found, wild human species or new found North American ape is going to be economically and legally painful, to say the least. It might very well impact private property ownership rights in a large degree. Not as much in the West and Alaska, where huge areas are already set aside, and indeed, these are the very areas where sasquatch activity is already documented as the highest. As far as hunting goes, it hasn't been a factor in sasquatch decline, anyway, at least as far as government can show. If it was, we'd have a dead sasquatch or two turned in to fish and game authorities every few years. But I can see one huge change upon discovery; The sudden shouldering in of the environmental industry who, up to today, has been even more quiet about this phenomenon than government, if that was even possible. Little Bo Peep will get loud, boisterous, and assertive mere moments after "discovery" as if they've been leading the charge all along in "saving the sasquatch". "Donate here!" Will be inserted in all environmental websites, and that money will be used to pay lawyers to save Patty's progeny from the evil Huntster and his big, bad 338 WinMag Alaskan Special. Completely silent today, moments after discovery the environmental industry will charge in to claim its rightful authority to dictate policy to you, me, government, and all future humanity.

News editors consider sasquatchery similar to small town mayors; it's entertainment. The stuff to build a festival on to make a few bucks. That could be occurring right now covertly, and probably is. I've commented several times on the "disappearance" of a few formally active participants on this forum, and I'm quite confident they are still active in sasquatchery. They just went dark.

Well, night would make it easier to see the luminol. More contrast. Better recordability on a camera. A tarp is not always too easy to lug in, but I suppose, doable. Still though, more chances to "contaminate" the scene with a tarp. And don't call me Shirley.

I don't think there is an aggressive government coverup going on like there might/would be regarding extraterrestrial visitors. They simply discourage recognition internally, and that sets the tone among personnel. With regard to the public, their loving patsies (media) take care of that for them with a similar, condescending attitude, which discourages people from even openly reporting encounters. Remember John Greene's 2006 interview with Gerry Matthews: http://www.bigfootproject.org/interviews/john_green.html

I have had some of the most expensive early on (Reconyx) but have changed tact to the cheaper but effective ones, the Apeman series; you can get good deals on ebay or other platforms with them. If ordering direct from China you can score big but that is slow and chancey I'd say. I would rather buy local and get fast shipping even if I don't get them wholesale. They have effective trigger speed (you pay hundreds extra for .5 secs or less trigger speed) but not overwhelming, excellent video, noglow, time lapse if you want it and burst pics+video options together. They have worked better for me than an expensive reconyx model in dayIight and night. I have had them deployed for about six to nine months with no malfunctions, and even dropped one or two at home or in the field and they hold up well and are waterproofed rather well. They make a good home security cam too. Great battery life with recommended lithium energizers even in the cold and in an active area. They have a mounting swivel mechanism you can screw into trees which is a little wonky and you need to be careful with tightening them or they flop around or belting onto tree trunks. Re: BF pics not to date yet; with an older set of reconyx without bear boxes I had a bear twist and try to chew into one, at least I think it was a hairy bear forepaw.

Northwind, whatever you get I suggest that you do not relay on the camera to camouflage itself. Figure out some sort of natural covering material, mount it high, and hope it is not noticed by both humans, who likely would steal it, or BF to avoid. I an not at all sure that it is the IR that gives away the game camera in daylight operations. It could just be the strange box strapped to a tree that does not belong there. But the IR flash likely is the giveaway during the dark hours. Bigtreewalker has a photo sequence that shows what I think is a BF noticing a game camera during the daylight. He has not posted it because the BF is so far away that you cannot be sure what it is. But its behavior does not look human. Once it sees the camera it goes into the classic get behind trees and peek at the camera routine. A human would not have done that but would have marched right up to the camera and messed with it. But the fact that the BF saw the camera from that far away, demonstrates to me that they are wary of anything out of place in the woods. With all the game cameras deployed, something must be giving them away to BF who avoids them Most are not camouflaged, which is probably the biggest factor. As I have mentioned before, my back yard is wooded. If someone hung a game camera there, I would notice it immediately just because of it being out of place.

Good question. Few if any solid examples that I've seen around here or the web. I have a Browning BTX-3 Spec Ops that's older now. picked it up for about $140 at the time and my decision came after quite a bit of research. There's a lot of good choices out there with lots of features which makes it difficult to choose which one is best for the price. The Browning model I chose has a bunch of things going for it: Images or video of course, but it also has audio in real time so when displaying videos one can hear whatever is on the capture. It has the common feature of individual of burst images, black LEDS which limit what animals see, and the nice feature of having an on-board display so one doesn't need an extra card reader or have to wait to connect to another device to see what's on the SD card. I run a 32G card in the slot and power it with 4 lithium batteries which are best for low temperatures and long life. It has a fairly good field-of-view and fast capture although its response time when running videos at night is slower than I would like. Night videos are limited to ten seconds but it has fast recovery for shooting the next one. All in all I thought it was a nice complete package for the money with the no-glow LED's being at the top of the list of what I was looking for. But like I said, there are a lot of fine models out there and if you look around you can probably get something at a pretty reasonable price. I've been trying to see what my State's Game Wardens and F&W use but haven't made much of an effort. I do know that the cameras do not have a camo look to them, more of a solid dark, charcoal gray color. Mine's kind of a camo combination of greens, grays, and browns. Thinking of changing that to something more solid and darker. I think it would work better for situations where one hides the cam in shade as opposed to exposed in sunny locations..

I had some unusual pictures with my old one. When I research into it all the BF pictures seem to originate from behind. Whether they can see IR or are observant enough to figure it out I don't know. I just bought a new Apeman H70. It is still IR though. I could afford a more expensive one but I have installed it on public land so there is a risk of it being stolen or damaged. I see researchers are now using multiple cameras and rather than trying to cover a lot of area they are pointing them at each other to see what is manipulating them.

What I find interesting and may have bearing on the question of BF is that both horses and camels originated on North America and migrated to Eurasia. There was a huge camel whose fossils have been found very near the artic circle in Canada that apparently was very adapted to the cold arctic. The last native NA horse disappeared from the fossil record only 8000 to 10,000 years ago only to be reintroduced back into NA in the 1600s by the Spanish. Could it be that BF had unknown origins in the Americas? There are certainly monkeys in South America who came from someplace and that could have evolved. It just seems to me that the origin and ancestral record of BF is so hard to imagine that it might be even stranger than we have imagined.

I’m going to need goat limb proportions please!

And for the same reason a chicken uses to cross a road. Why do mountain goats leave their habitat to frolick in towns? For the same reason chickens cross roads.......... https://www.matsugov.us/news/mountain-goat-takes-a-rest-downtown-palme (I added the video so that those who suspect that it was Bob in a goat suit could analyze it properly for the next half century.........)

I think either science has missed the BF line of ancestors altogether or Gigantopithecus was misidentified at the onset. That very thing has happened very often, and gets more likely when all we have that defines that species is jaw and teeth fragments. Whatever their lineage, BF has a line of ancestors likely going back to someplace in common with man since both are presently bipedal. Speaking of that I had a thought this morning that made me laugh. . It would seem that modern humans have devolved. We went from a farming agrarian society with supermarkets shelves filled with plenty in a matter of two months to a hunter gatherer society searching our environment for simple things like meat, flour, sugar, and paper to wipe our ass. That sure was quick.

My take on the trail cam photo is a jack rabbit or coyote running by and away from the cam. You can see the paw and shape of the hind leg. Trail cams are good at taking blurry pics in low light conditions.