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If that's not a sign to get yourself ready, I don't know what is. Bald eagles taking down government drones?!?

Like footprints? Wood knocks? Howls? I would say there are more of them than sightings? I don’t find it silly at all. Because in Washington state we have 3 species of deer and rules for each. Mule deer are three point or better. So in order to hunt deer one needs to observe species, gender and size BEFORE pulling the trigger. We have Elk, Moose and Caribou. Rules for each. Two species of Bear. Rules for each. Wolves vs Coyotes, Lynx vs Bobcat...one protected and the other allowed to be harvested. The list goes on. Are their dumb hunters that misidentify species and get the book thrown at them? Of course. Would I call them “experienced”? No. Either that or they are poachers who willfully harvest game animals who are out of season or don’t match the criteria for harvest. Or they are a protected species. Patty and a Bear look nothing alike. I’ve never seen anything like Patty in the woods. But I’ve stopped a buddy from shooting a cinnamon phase black bear because at first I thought it might be a small Grizzly Bear. The Devil is in the details in today’s environment. Get it wrong and it could cost you prison time and big fines and loss of hunting rights. So you go out year after year and navigate all these laws and successfully harvest lawful game animals? And then you see a Bear in the woods and turn it in as a Bigfoot report?🤨 Again I would question motives. Not likely.

Up around Cloudcroft NM. Saw lots of Mule deer and Elk! About 1/2 hour from my daughters house in the desert. Kinda crazy! Some of the most beautiful park like country I have seen. IMG_3528.MOV IMG_3529.MOV

Beautiful areas, @norseman and @PNWexplorer! Interesting twists, @PNWexplorer.

I think the key argument and word is experienced outdoorsman . Just speaking for my self I think it would be pretty much impossible for my self to make that mistake. I know what a bear looks like and have spotted many many during my years of hunting New England states . It doesn't surprise me to see one at all. I get them in my back fence line roaming around every year until the dogs chase them off. I can see a person who hasn't experienced a lot of solo time in the forest see a quick flash or a glimpse of a bear going up on it's hind legs and think it could be something bipedal covered in fur but if the sighting lasts more than a few seconds it's pretty obvious if he can get a look at the head that it's a bear. I guess the other argument is the other side of the spectrum where there are people who see everything as bigfoot also . They hear a walnut fall and say something is throwing pebbles at us. They hear a beaver slap at night and right away it's bigfoot throwing rocks into a lake .

That's like a Nostrodamus prediction of one of the signs of the apocalypse

The SGP paper and website indicate the genes that were sequenced. They do not include the two you mentioned, neither of which is on Chromosome 11, the only one (partially) sequenced. Given the black bear and dog results for samples 26 and 140, these samples are no longer relevant to your questions anyway. It will probably take a full genome sequence to answer your questions, although with specific primers one might be able to sequence these genes, which are on Chromosomes 1 and X respectively.

Not sure why it’s moving the goal post. An “experienced outdoorsman” would be well versed in the animals of his area. Including Bears that sometimes are walking bipedal. It matters little if he is hunting or not. His eye is trained to viewing lots of game animals. I’ve never ever looked at a upright Bear and thought it was a Bigfoot. Which is why I find it hard to believe. But then again I don’t have any real desire to be on a Bigfoot TV show either. Which I feel is the ulterior motive. Or? It’s the truth. Either way Twist? We are back to square one. Need a specimen and not stories.

I would agree with that. My default setting is that it was a bear.

It's interesting how, in some cases, people have sightings or encounters very close to their vehicle. They never ventured into the woods more than 100 yards. I know people who have been successful having such experiences and prefer to choose locations that are remote yet accessible by vehicle. I've been with them a half dozen times before and they choose their locations carefully and do night ops away from camp. My preference is to get far away from vehicles which should decrease the likelihood of human interference. It does complicates thing because it limits what you can have access to as you have to carry it in. As MIB mentioned, being 5 miles from your vehicle changes the dynamic as hoofing back to the car at night can be long and treacherous. In some cases, it's just not doable given the condition of the hike and the obstacles one must traverse to get there. My friends, who chose to do vehicle-access expeditions, have had several sightings/encounters and I'm still waiting for my first. I still prefer to put myself out there away from humanity as I think it provides the best odds of having a sighting or encounter. That said, it's difficult to argue with their success.

I am at the Oregon coast and went outside at 2 AM to watch the meteor display. Only saw one during a half hour of time and it was pretty cold. Then I heard several strange noises. They were very short and near the infrasound range at the bottom end of my hearing. Have no idea what it was. Sounded like someone dropped some big plastic pipes one at a time and made a bass drum noise. I could not see very far and decided that I really did not want to be alone outside with strange noises going on. Tillamook Head, just South of me, has had a history of Bigfoot vocalizations, and a few years ago heard one myself when I took my dog out. I have looked for footprints in the area but never found any.

Made it safely back to town with no sightings but possible evidence of activity. Found a great spot and the new tent worked out great... My girlfriend said she thought she heard a wood knock at night, but we had the stereo on and I maybe heard something. We were camped next to a large patch of thimbleberry bushes and about 20 yards up the creek, I stumbled across a couple of small trees with the tops obviously twisted at a height of about 8' off the ground. They sure looked like similar trees that people claim are twisted by Bigfoot in order to mark territory. No trail nearby and their only significance was on the edge of the thimbleberry patch.

Took my future son n law Bear hunting today. Saw one smallish one. Huckleberries and salmon berries are ripe! Cool only 55 degrees.

I think they’ve done more good for this subject than bad, inadvertently or not. The tv show was just that, a tv show, no more and no less. Moneymaker gets a lot of bad press, some of it maybe warranted, but you can never knock the guys passion for the subject itself, and I respect that in a person even if I don’t necessarily agree with all he says. Their database deserves a heck of a lot of credit and praise too, and for that alone they get my thumbs up personally.

No experience at all. My favorite area requires backpacking in. I've done it as a round trip day hike but it's pretty brutal. Climb 1700 feet in 3.5 miles, then back down 500 feet in a mile. Trail is pretty rough, big loose rocks, some places stairsteps in the rocks, plus it traps runoff so it continually gets carved deeper. There is another way in, not as steep, but a mile farther and more exposure to direct sun .. hotter. There is no chicken out option. If you're not well on your way back to the trailhead 2 hours before dark, you are committed to staying. The trail is bad enough that a twisted or even broken ankle in the dark is a real good possibility. If you buy the ticket, you have to ride the train. I've had two fairly terrifying experiences in there. We had bipedal visitors the very first night I was ever there, at least 3 of them, and I got introduced to infrasound. It sucks. And the last night I spent there, last summer, started pretty cool with an hour or so of light wood knocks coming from 30 feet or so away in the dark while I laid in my sleeping bag and bivy. It stopped being cool when "whatever it was" decided to leave. It was the most chilling, "alien", crazy sound I've heard in over 50 years in the woods. I thought I knew what was knocking, now I'm not sure. 7-1/2 miles back to the trailhead, in the dark, on a barely maintained trail .. nope, the die was cast, we had to stay and ride it out. Fortunately nothing further happened. MIB

Right. She was rejected by the scientific community. So she published on her own website and charged 30 bucks a head for people to read it. She surrounded herself with patsies that all nodded their heads in agreement that the findings were really really an unknown primate. This is not science.... this is a Barnum Bailey freak show. I understand that science bias can be harsh. But if she had a tooth that was morphological different from a Homo Sapien tooth or anything tangible to point to? I would take her way more seriously.... By peripherals? Do you mean the hoax known as Matilda? This is pretty central and damning in my book. Ketchum gave a sample to the Houston chronicle for independent verification. What did they find? Manbearpig. https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/bigfoot-samples-yield-opossum-dna-39073 Am I emotional about it? Absolutely. I take it personal when people attempt to hood wink this community. We have a hard enough time with the scofftics without people like Ketchum, Dyer or Standing or Biscardi mucking it up worse for us for 5 minutes of fame. I think the rule of thumb should be to not trust people trying to sell you something. That’s what I think.

I, too, would have to say the London trackway. It's at the top of my list. Some of the video MK Davis released, particularly the "whitey" segment, I find interesting, even if I don't always agree with his analysis. While the Sierra Sounds are not new, Scott Nelson's analysis is somewhat recent. Again, compelling if only because he has impeccable credentials to do that analysis. It's too soon to tell, but someday we may rank the Brown's thermal footage up there as well. Depends on what ultimately comes out of that situation. MIB