Leaderboard

You could have saved me a lot of typing by just stating you are a JREFer. I thought I was having a legitimate conversation.

If the searcher could afford to pay back the financing plus 10%, he wouldn't need the financing, and what "profits" are you expecting? If anything, there will be lawsuits to defend against. That is really a strange proposition. Don't hold your breath for anything that silly to occur.

A large network of hunters and outdoorsmen willing to take the shot. Low tech and grass roots. Nothing more. It’s a game of odds. Washington did this with cougars. After banning hound hunting. They sell a cougar tag folded into a big game pkg. (deer, bear and elk) 99% of hunters never see a cougar. But 1% get lucky. It’s a strategy and it’s effective. Look at BFRO sighting reports. A family driving forest roads to go on a picnic see a Bigfoot cross the road in front of them. If the family was armed with a satisfactory rifle and a axe? Game over. How many hundreds of these reports get filed every year?

The past twenty years have seen incredible advances in monitoring and surveillance both terrestrially and beyond. What does this mean to a small but widely distributed population of Sasquatches? What does it mean for Bigfoot researchers who for the most part have lower-tier consumer grade surveillance devices? What does it mean for Sasquatch discovery or knowledge in the upper echelons of science and government? What would be the results of military grade surveillance? Would such surveillance capabilities have picked up Sasquatches and other animals moving in numbers away from the recent areas affected by wildfires? And even if there were no wildfires, there has frequently been comments regarding forestry road closures being possibly linked to Sasquatch activity. If so does it indicate that electronic surveillance works? That it is indeed being used to keep the public along with field researchers away from Sasquatch activity due to natural roaming in the quest for food or mates? Has anyone noticed seasonal road or area closures that happen on a seasonal basis which may support such roaming? And since we are in this era of much higher and more precise monitoring would any such closure programs be the reason few, if any, creatures end up being recorded on our relatively lower level devices? Because I have a sneaking hunch that, in this day and age, key alpha Sasquatches have been tagged with miniature transponders which has made keeping us away from the majority of them, as in where they stay along with their nesting and birthing sites, much easier. I am gradually beginning to understand better just how easy it would be to monitor these creatures with high tech tools methods that are commonly unavailable to the public. In this new world of surveillance "collaring", while still being used, isn't really necessary. Ear tags are probably not even necessary. But I can see tiny transmitters installed by devices similar to tranquilizer guns being the tracking method of choice. All it would take over the years is one creature successfully tagged to find more and then the program would pyramid out from there to eventually track most if not all of say, less than 10,000 individuals. Even a quarter of that number that get tagged would have an impact. It could at least show where and when resource harvesting would have the least amount of impact on the survival of the species. Win-Win. It would be the best way to keep some lucky researcher from finding one and possibly result in ALL resource extraction activities, and other activities that are more recreational, from the threat of a chance discovery grinding everything to a halt. If one thinks about this some, then a similar conclusion to what I have may be reached: That this kind of a monitoring program, should it exist, which I seriously think it does, may not be such a bad thing....the floor is open.

Oh, I don’t think the state ever would bless such a thing. I’m just comparing the approach. But it would have to be planned by average people. Here is a photo I took this fall in my hunting area.

Agreed. That prior knowledge is not hard. I figured it out from Mangani's bigfoot layer in Google Earth. I assume they can do the same with the same data. But more .. if there really is a "them" and "they" are part of a government agency, if there is a coverup, then the local USFS ranger districts must have a great deal of BF data they are somehow keeping secret, and with that additional data, "they" would have even more precision than I do.

If these creatures exist, there is no way government has been completely ignorant of it over the past century. In my opinion, government(s) know that these creatures are human and are letting them die off as a species while playing ignorant.

You do realize many proponents are equally exasperated with such claims? Habituators and paranormal bigfoot believers were provided their own section, here at BFF, to separate their outlandish claims from the main board. Bluster your way around all us naive bigfoot people, but realize, some of us don't quite subscribe to bigfoot anywhere and everywhere, either. Chortle and couch your sneers all you wish, and welcome to the board. I hope your stay is long and fruitful. Being a betting man, I'll not cast a wager in that regard.

That will be the standard reason given by fish and game to weasel out of ever authorizing such a hunt, and a good reason it is. In many states, blaze orange is lawfully required to help keep people from shooting each other. Authorize the shooting of big, hairy, ugly, and smelly bipedal creatures, and I wouldn't last two days out there without drawing fire.

Possibly. If you believe the conspiracy theories around the 5G network, etc. I think, though, if the fires are managed towards any end, it is to destroy habitat and block travel under cover, not to cause them to expose themselves, but to keep them from going certain places by rendering them unable to do so while remaining under cover. By doing so, historical travel routes are interrupted. My suspicion is these fires are not quite done. In 2014-2018, we had fires essentially every year which, taken on the whole, cut a swath across the backbone of the Cascades. A substantial strip of timber was left on each flank. There were no fires in 2019. In September this year, most of the strip forming the east flank burned leaving only a very narrow corridor. I am curious whether the west flank burns this coming summer or the one after. I wouldn't be at all surprised. A smaller fire, 10K acres or so, burned there this year but it did not completely close the gap.

Do you read Bigfoot history? Bauman story? Mt. St. Helens miners? Teddy Roosevelt? Nahanni valley? The bay of death? The history is thus. People have shot at these things. No one has ever recovered a Bigfoot body. And sometimes the body that is recovered is their own. It could be just ghost stories. But in some cases men are found without a head. Or in the case of the 411 books? Never recovered. When they are looking for a black hole, it’s impossible to detect it by looking right at it. You have to look at the distortions on the periphery. We don’t have a physical specimen to look at but if a large hominid still existed in our wilderness? What would we expect to find in evidence left behind? What other species takes a head as a prize? Timothy Treadwell was eaten by a brown bear. All that was left of him WAS his head and his spine. Very humanistic trait. ==== Cougar analogy. Hounds are expensive to raise and train. Then you have expensive tracking collars and tracking handsets. You have 4x4 vehicles set up to house the dogs and cast and recover them. As well as a strike platform for detection. Plus snowmobiles or atvs to help follow the chase. A lot of experience and knowledge to train and use hounds too. Very expensive, precise, scalpel like approach. If a cougar is treed? The hounds men can look at age, sex, offspring, etc. and choose to either harvest or let it go. OR Just sell boot hunters a cougar tag with their deer and elk tag. 100,000’s of em. No experience needed. See a cougar and shoot it. Success rate will be way lower than houndsmen. But who cares? ===== Im not a fan of the BFRO either. But your missing the point. Assuming normal everyday people are seeing these creatures? It’s a luck thing. None of these people are “researchers” with thermal and callers and dental resin. They are not specialized. Today, now. We could be mobilizing “boot hunters” to take a whack at Bigfoot. Denisovans were discovered with a pinkie bone. It won’t take much.

Lack of military grade technology will yield the same results that have been produced so far. It's always been something ........ the woods are to vast, not enough boots on the ground, need better technology, Bigfeets are super rare, stealthy, strong, smart, stinky, blah blah blah all excuses imo. But the discussion is valid, what if someone were to finance a Bigfoot project, you name the price, you've got 6 months to produce a body. If you fail...... you pay back all money spent plus 10%. If you succeed the backer owns all rights to everything and you'll get 10% of the profits. While I don't think you'll be kitted out with military tech, you'll get to go on a dream shopping spree, but you will definitely be on the hook for your convictions. So what would it take to prove that Bigfoots real? What would that set up look like and cost....any body up to the challenge?

It may seem obvious to you but i think it is wrong. I think the small critters are found because they are running on instinct, not intelligence. Bigfoot appears to be capable of the same level of planning you or I engage in yet we're pursuing them on their turf. If the tables were turned, if they were in our house rather than us in theirs, we'd find them pretty quickly, but that home field advantaged mixed with awareness and conscious planning are a hard nut to crack. So far as "they don't exist" ... if that is the case, we need a rational and consistent explanation for the evidence they've left behind. Science hasn't been able to produce one, only excuses, only suggestions we not look at things that are inconveniently unexplainable if examined ... so don't look. MIB