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If I'm reading those tracks correctly, that is a starting point--out of the blue. If it was dropped, it came down gently.

@Kiwakwe - that area looks squatchy. I can visualize a Patty like creature walking along there.

This cant be emphasized enough, the massacre theory is a product of MK's diseased imagination and nothing more. It is but one of the poisons out there in way of getting to the truth of this mystery. MK is not credible and is in my honest opinion, a complete waste of time.

This is such a dilemma. After the mountain of lies that was season 1, they don't deserve any attention. On the other hand, it was great fun dubunking them.

Norseman coming from old west/frontier royalty!

Hi Rebone, I envy the fact that you got to be on the night investigation with Dr. Burtsev, Richard Soule, Barry Webster and the other members of the Rez Squatchin Research visiting Citonga. I think you'd agree with me that it was a very interesting evening with some very fascinating results. Perhaps some day, I'll have the pleasure of meeting you in person and have the good fortune of being able to be part of a night investigation with you on the Rez, with your permission and the other members as well. In these Covid times, the chances are slim for me to be doing any traveling anytime soon, although Dr. Burtsev has indicated that he's planning to visit your group again next year. I have to admit that, for the record, I shy away from conducting audio analyses on audio recordings involving a group of researchers in the field because the noise that they make either by talking, walking or fidgeting. I much prefer more controlled settings for me to carefully peel away a few layers of the ambient background of "white noise" in order to more clearly hear familiar and/or suspected sounds of Sasquatch. That said, Richard had asked me to examine the audio using my methodology which I call "Bigfoot Bioacoustics" and I did so. As you know, it was a very long investigation that went on long into the night. I carefully listened to your whole night time investigation hoping to hear something that was unequivocal to me that was definitively Sasquatch (Hominid) in origin. That I did. It was during the prayer by Barry. Which was followed by a clear "click" and in between Barry's words were sounds so familiar to me in my own research and that I've also identified in other researcher's audio which I call "Bigfoot Morse Code." I call it that because there is no nomenclature in the literature or on YouTube that has identified it, defined it and described it elsewhere. In my world as a professional archaeologist, whenever I identify a new archaeological site, it's common practice to name it. I call it "Bigfoot Morse Code" because it is something that is, in fact, in code that, until now, no one has ever heard or identified before. We haven't heard it because it is hidden in the White noise" much like they like to hide themselves in the forest cover. Here it is for everyone to listen to https://youtu.be/LtQE2byqVQM?t=1331 I beg to differ on your description of "the heavy filtering of Audacity" producing the clicks. Even without the filtering, I can hear the clicks. I hear them in the original audio recordings these days because I listen for them. I guess you can say that in over 200 audio analyses that I've published on YouTube and of all of the audio recordings that I've listened to that I can pick out most of them without even using Audacity. But with Audacity, the average person can hear and see them (i.e., their "voiceprints" in the waveforms, spectrograms and visualizations. It's been my experience in studying "clicks" that they are used by Hominids for different purposes based on the context and circumstances. I first became aware of them in listening to the first 24 hours of continuous audio recordings of my Bigfoot Study Group, "The Gifted Ones." It was in their quietest moments when they were resting. I kept hearing a single soft click followed by a period of silence followed by another soft click at regular intervals. I had heard most of the group move on, but I heard a couple of the clan stay behind and "talk" to each other in "Bigfoot Morse Code" back and forth very quietly. I surmised it was an adult and a young child. There were a few others dispersed nearby as well. I found it fascinating! They were using clicks to echolocate each other to say "I'm here and all's right" both to keep time and to let everyone resting know that they have lookouts posted. Most of my viewers skip over these parts of my recordings and nowadays I have to fast forward through them to keep my audiences' interest up, but I love them. For it is in the quietest moments with only a few individuals present that someone like me can gain the most information out of this secret Sasquatch communication system. It's not just Sasquatch that uses clicks for communication and echolocation. Humans do too. My mother used a "click" to keep me in line when I was a child. That's why the sound sounded so familiar to me at first. But blind people use clicks to navigate through their environments as well. Here's a Smithsonian article reference on that https://www.newscientist.com/article/2145962-this-is-how-some-blind-people-are-able-to-echolocate-like-bats/ and here's a Science magazine article on how it works in their brains https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/10/echolocation-blind-people-reveals-brain-s-adaptive-powers#:~:text=Now%2C a study of blind,neural repurposing never before documented. As for the clicks being produced by the audio processing program Audacity, that's new to me. I never heard or experienced it before. The process that I use for noise reduction does not produce the sound of clicks. I experimented with Audacity enough to be confident that it wasn't producing any introduced sounds to the tracks. I will, however, test for this when I have the time. You are right that people can produce the clicks themselves. I've been hesitant to mention that because that would lead some people to use it to fool folks like myself who do these types of audio analyses. However, judging by the members of your group and the honesty and trust that Richard has built up with me, I couldn't imagine any of you trying to trick me by using clicks. One thing that I was concerned about In this scenario with regard to clicks was the sound of your footsteps on twigs, branches and extremely dry grass as well as any equipment that folks were carrying that might make a clicking sound. So, if you look at my interpretations of clicks on the waveform and spectrogram, I was extremely conservative in marking what I judged to be clicks generated by your visiting Forest Friends. I'd love to hear your own recording of this investigation to test the validity of my methodology! Is it posted somewhere where, with your permission, I can analyze it? I know that this nothing like the Bigfoot research as seen on TV with "Finding Bigfoot." But I find it so fascinating that it has taken my time and attention away from several archaeological books that I am writing that my archaeological colleagues are anxiously waiting for me to finish. Much to the dismay of my wife, who'd rather I spend my time on archaeology and not, of all things, Bigfoot. :-) Thanks to all who welcomed me to the forum! I'm glad to be here talking Bigfoot.

Welcome, nightlistener and forestdenizen. You're older than dirt, if you're older than I am, nightlistener. I look forward to hearing experiences form both of you, and all the other recent joiners, as well. It's good to "see" new faces and ideas come on board.

For you newbies, there is absolutely nothing to either of two massacre concoctions out there. MK Davis shot his credibility in the foot when also claiming to see braids on Patty after photoshoping them onto her head shot, a stick in Patty's left hand, a fresh bullet wound on Patty's right thigh that somehow was not bleeding (which was his prima facia evidence of a massacre), lips on Patty by photoshoping them on her head shot, blood in a murky pool of water that he tampered with the still shot by altering the red/blue/green color balance, when the original photo showed crystal clear water in that pool, a single dogs paw print that did not look like any one legged dog in existence, a Bigfoot bloody hand print on a log (by altering the color balance once again), a Bigfoot hide on the ground that was actually a clear pool of water that showed the white dogs reflection, and last but certainly not least, MK diagnosed internal hemorrhoids on Patty from 100 feet away in a 40 year old video, without a medical license and without any sort of viewing device to probe up Patty's rectum. You just can't make this crap up. So there was no Bigfoot massacre as hypothesized by MK Davis. The other one as promoted by Carpenter, has no details to it either so it is equally ridiculous. The logic for why all Bigfoot massacre stories are ridiculous, is because the purpose of the expedition was to get evidence that Bigfoot are real. Which would be better evidence, a Bigfoot body or a Bigfoot on video. So if there was a massacre, then there would have been bodies that Roger Patterson could bring home and make money off of. Which never happened otherwise we all would have heard about it by now. It would appear that MK Davis has some schizophrenic skills at concocting outlandish stories that have no basis in fact. Not that there is anything wrong with being schizophrenic. Canadian John Green threatened MK Davis with a lawsuit while he was alive, if MK ever repeated MK's massacre story. Once John Green died, MK was back at it telling the phony massacre story, trying to keep it alive. Which is where he is today.

I got out last weekend to the general area I'd been poking about in. Nixed the atv rails-to-trails access point for another decommissioned railway leading into a nice boggy woodland after passing through a bit of blueberry barren. The beaver have dammed up the bridges-turned-culverts and raised the water up to the old rail road grade in places: Passing one of the many interconnected boggy beaver ponds: Another, with fresh lodge renovations: Followed some Bobcat tracks for a while: And in the barrens, a mysteriously appearing set of meadow vole tracks. I looked at these for a while trying to ascertain the critters arrival at this spot. It's not quite the vanishing BF trackway in snow but interesting to speculate an answer. There was no other sign of tracks anywhere, no lightly scuffed versions on crustier snow and no tunnels that the critter crawled up from, must be aliens: I sliced out blocks with my knife surrounding the start point, expecting to see a tunnel, there wasn't one. ( I did fully encircle the entry point after this pic) My only guess is when the snow fell it was about 15 degrees--light and fluffy. The tracks didn't look too old but the temp had risen to 32-33. Maybe the tunnel through fluffy snow had collapsed/compacted with the temperature upswing- IDK. Yeah, unrelated to anything but observation/speculation... but I like doing that.

There's only one Duke. Isaac Hayes and he's A-Number One. edit: didn't realize he had passed away. He's still the Duke.

Being older than virtually everyone here, I know how society was dealing with the Bigfoot phenomenon, before virtually anyone here was born. I also have extensive field experience where I failed to cherry pick the evidence in order to fit a square peg into a round hole. I also have highly sensitive audio recording equipment that I use to record sounds that I don't share with the public. I have hundreds of my own field experiences and also know exactly what the Government has stated publicly before and after Bigfoot became top secret, therefore I already have a sound understanding as to what the Bigfoot are.

@BlackRockBigfoot You're exactly right about the challenge that space within one's backpack presents when out searching for results. Each piece of gear cries out to be brought yet the selection of one item deprives the selection of another, or more. It's a critical balancing act. I'd love to be able to use an ATV, load it up with gear, and drive to, or near, the intended location. That's not going to happen where I go as it is not allowed.

Exactly. I could present 15 minutes of clear 4 K footage of one of these creatures...and 75% of people would immediately call it fake and me the new Todd Standing. A body is the only thing that will convince people. Period.

As Norse wrote, Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin proved a half century ago that film isn't going to cut muster. It is simply a colossal waste of effort. It has to be a carcass. Nothing else will do, including (IMHO) the supposed Holy DNA Grail. With ghosts, nobody expects you to shoot one down and lay it out on a slab. With sasquatchery, that is precisely what the High Priests of Science demand.

Marty, While I can sympathize with your frustration concerning lack of clear video, like Norseman said it's apples and oranges to compare ghost hunting techniques with those of most Bigfoot researchers. For a few reasons... You are dealing with video and audio which are orders of magnitude more complex than investigating a potentially haunted house. How long is your average ghost hunt? 6 hours or so? Usually indoors, I would assume. Ceilings, walls, mostly level floors. Maybe even power, if you are lucky. Vehicles parked just right outside. When we go out, we are in rough terrain and miles into the woods and mountains. At the mercy of the weather and limited to what we can carry on our backs. Any video, thermal, audio, casting materials, etc. has to fight for space with food, first aid, water, firearms, and the other usual hiking/camping supplies. Just keeping the equipment charged is a struggle. Cameras eat batteries like nobody's business, especially in night vision mode. Same thing for SD cards when you are recording in 4K. No matter how you arrange it, it is difficult to keep video going constantly for several hours a night...night after night...just with what you can carry in your pack. We are not among the lucky ones who can just set up stationary right off the road and start recording. It just doesn't seem to happen that way in this area. We have gotten the vast majority of our activity while we are on the move at night. If we stop and try to set up a quick base to record, it seems that things will quiet down. You can run audio constantly, and that has been one of the goals that we met this past month. We now have several small audio recorders that we can run constantly. However, trying to film around you continually is difficult...moving through the woods at night, usually not on an actual path...you spend a lot of time just making sure that you are not going to break your neck. We have been experimenting with ways to be ready in case we have a close encounter with a Sasquatch at night so that we might be able to get some sort of video evidence. I even picked up an action cam that has been converted to night vision from a ghost hunting shop. I wear it on my chest rig and try to keep it running as much as possible. The range is limited, even with an external IR source. Battery usage is still an issue. We are experimenting with external power sources, but keeping a USB plug into a chest mounted camera while pushing through the brush at night is easier said than done. Then, factor in that (at least in my experience) smaller groups seem to have better luck encountering activity than larger groups. That leaves two people to juggle video, audio, thermal, etc. The whole time trying to maintain some sort of situational awareness and not become overly focused on the equipment itself. We try to stay aware of what's around us at all times, because I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about these creatures like many on the forum do. The tendency for activity to occur at exactly the wrong moment for us is maddening and frustrating. That frustration has nearly caused me to walk away from all of this on more than one occasion. When you guys see all of my gear go up for sale on the marketplace here you will know that it has finally gotten to be too much and that I have just taken up bird watching. The clearest 'Sasquatch" howl (I put that in parenthesis because I didn't see what made it, but it closely matches other audio that has been posted here) that we ever heard happened a few seconds after we turned out camera off to change batteries, regroup, and get something to eat. We got a Zoom H4N Pro after that to keep running in a central location in order to capture any future howls. That still doesn't do anything about the howl that we heard. We are just left with anecdotal accounts and video of the aftermath...no real evidence at all. Clear video can be obtained, and I hope that we are able to get something compelling ourselves if not something quite a bit more tangible. But, at the end of the day we are trying to capture video of an unknown biped with unknown abilities and unknown levels of intelligence...in its home habitat where it is able to apparently move much easier than we can. It's aware of us and, at least according to some accounts, aware of at least the basics of how photography works. It's a tall order. Now, compare all of this to a group of people who can just roll up in vehicles, unload their boxes and boxes of gear, walk a few yards into a structure, and set up for a few hours to try and catch an EVP or hear a door slam. My partner is a lot more into the paranormal side of things than I am, and she enjoys doing ghost hunting type stuff in the abandoned ruins of old settlements that dot the mountains through this region. Even doing that sort of research is easier than what we do concerning Bigfoot...if nothing else for the stationary aspect of it. Even though you are still hiking your equipment in, you are able to set up in one spot for most of the time. Looking for Bigfoot is like looking for an intelligent, stealthy, physically superior needle in a giant, wet, rocky, remote haystack.

Just noticed that the database I submitted didn't have labeled columns. Fixed that and here's the revision: JWG Sasquatch Food-Season-Location Data by State and Province 1884-2000.ods