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With regard to the original post question, "Why can't we find and study BF?", I think some groups have found it and are trying to study it. Per NAWAC's monograph on the Ouachita Project, they had at least 49 visual sightings within a small research area (see extract below from their monograph). https://www.woodape.org/index.php/opmonograph/ It is baffling that they have failed capturing the creature on video or game cameras. They tried that in their Forest Vigil project and failed, and are now implementing a different strategy to capture the creature on film (Hadrian Wall project). I am looking forward to see if they have better and fruitful results with the new techniques and strategy. Nonetheless, the failure of camera traps and video is a problem that the community has not been able to crack. There are lots of speculation and hypotheses being offered on reasons for the failure but few actual experiments and testing. The Hadrian Wall project is a good test with new ideas to experiment with. I am not as familiar with the Olympic Project (since they don't publish monographs as NAWAC), but am curious on how many of their field researchers have had visual sightings while in the research area and how they have changed their camera trap strategies/techniques over time. I really wish there was more and better sharing of methods, practices, and results (with data and papers that document what was done and proposed hypotheses on why they failed). The few good thermal image videos that I have seen, have all been by people who were intentionally in hot-spots and were lucky to get the shot. Not too much science there - just perseverance and being at the right place and time. Makes you wonder if you need to have people present for the creature to show up and allow the lucky camera capture, as opposed to leaving cameras on all the time. Why would BF not approach a game camera trap on a tree but approach a guy with a thermal imager? I have no idea.

In all likelyhood you did not give the file enough time to download before trying to open it. The files are huge. My internet connection is barely fast enough to stream a movie and it takes a very long time to download the LIDAR data files. Arvedis; if you or anyone wants to mount an expediton in the PNR I am all in. I would furnish the airplane and my skills for whatever support the expedition deems necessary. My airplane has a removeable cargo compartment door that lends itself to mounting cameras directed at the ground. Should someone want to develop a camera package for the airplane let me know. You could put your money into camera gear without having to spend any money on a drone. The only thing I will not do is do night mountain flying. That is basically a deathwish. If everyone pays their own way, we could have a hell of an expedition for what one would pay for a baby sitted BFRO expedition. Another use of an airplane is airdropping supplies to someone in the remote backcountry. Should anyone need that kind of support let me know. I would do it without cost just to support the BF research cause. As a side note, I volunteered to provide air support to the Olympic Project and they ingnored the offer. Too many egos in that outfit. I could even use my videographer skills to document the expedtion. Who knows, it something happens it might even be something Animal Planet or Travel network might want to air. As we have seen from Expediton Bigfoot it does not take much happening to get air time. Just don't try to impress me with an angorithm because I have enough math skills to know when I am being fed a line of bull.

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Madison--Bless your heart. I have a pair of these Dachstein socks bought a dozen years ago and was looking to get another pair but couldn't remember where I got them. Thank you, now I know. I did remember they were boiled wool because I once bought a boiled-wool sweater that was almost too warm to wear. I don't know whether the socks I have are 3 or 4 ply but they're crazy warm. I bet their 4-ply, boiled-wool mittens with a goretex shell over them (which I already have) would be a perfect combination for sub 10F weather. Mittens The same can be said of their 4-ply caps for very cold weather: Wool cap You've unknowingly helped me blow a large hole in my budget. The GoPro 9 will have to wait until my wallet is off life support!

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If you want some nice long underwear, the Minus33 expedition weigh pants and tops are WARM. Love it! I only wear Darn Tough socks now, though I might try a bison wool pair and there was a Finnish wool sock that looked interesting. I'll see if i can find the links. https://thebuffalowoolco.com/collections/rtw-socks/products/trekker-bison-merino-boot-socks-preorder https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-merino-socks/#cc-m-product-12523009631 I'm a huge wool fan. Everything gets wet in Oregon, but wool retains it's warmth. @norseman Good heavens, that stuff is expensive! Yowza!

Wow, we had a very rare snow storm yesterday, not seen in these parts since the mid 80's, Lulu was finally in her element! Had a nice hike on Saturday before the storm, and found some interesting things. if you recall the weird poop (or whatever) pile, my last 'message' was to put the paperweight where it was near the chewed Sotol leaves, it stayed that way several weeks, but now the paperweight is gone, looked pretty hard for it in the area but couldn't find it....before & after pics, and will be interesting to see where it turns up. I hiked over to one of the older & larger Live Oak trees in the area, always find something interesting. I hadn't been there in over a year, and noticed 2 rocks placed up in the tree, 2 pics of that.......I've seen these rocks in trees before, always in a big & strategically located tree, and almost like a 'Kilroy the Hairyman was here', has anyone noticed this before? Also 3 prints that I found, with one of them underwater:)

Haha. That picture was put there to underscore how beautiful being out in winter can be. Here is an actual picture of Thursday night with less snow and no river running through it. That said, where I go there is lots of water and a good example of what I do encounter when traipsing through the woods.