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I had an adventure on Sunday afternoon, which started with a post, about 1:00 PM, on a local 4x4 facebook group. A lady posted that she had just got a message from her sister, I assume via inreach, as there's no cell service out that way, that she was stranded about 4km in on Foley Lake FSR. Since I live about an hour from that spot, I offered to drive out in the H3 to see if I could help. The area has several sighting reports, so it would gave me an excuse to revisit a stretch of logging road that I hadn't been to in at least a decade. Half an hour later I entered the Chilliwack River valley, and soon was out of cell service, as the mountains close in and settlement ends. Another 20 minutes, and I was at the start of the Foley Lake FSR, where it branches off the Chipmunk Creek FSR. I immediately hit the snow line, and giant potholes in the road, some of them 30' long and flooded 18" deep, one after the other, making progress quite slow and tedious. I reached the 4km mark without seeing any damsel in distress, so I continued up the now steeply climbing trail, with the snow getting deeper as I went, until there were no more tire marks in the snow, and a steep landslide across the road, so I knew there was no chance of a vehicle further in. Turning around was tricky on the narrow trail, with 10" of snow, and a 50' drop off the side to the lake, but low range and locking the rear diff got it done, though it was more like a 6 point turn, than a 3 pointer! On the way back to Chipmunk, I watched the snow carefully for tracks, and saw lots of deer prints, but nothing larger. Once I was back to the river, I chose to take the long way home, via the Chilliwack Bench road, rather than the paved valley road on the other side of the river, as it goes through about 20 km of second growth forest before getting back to town. It was a bit muddy in places, since the last week had seen rain every day, but it was clear and bright for the trip, so it was vey enjoyable, and quite scenic. No Sasquatches were sighted, and no stranded ladies rescued, but I felt better for having tried. On my return to home, I checked with the original poster, and was told that someone else had come across her before I got there, and got her going, so she was safely back at home. Here's my phone pics of some of the area: The last one shows the Chilliwack River in the distant valley bottom, and the one above shows that my mud flaps don't help much!!

The wilderness areas of the Pacific Northwest are vast. There is certainly enough habitat and food available to support a breeding population of large, omnivorous primates. British Columbia for instance has more square miles of wilderness than there are people living there. Most of the population in Canada are situated in settlements along the U.S. border. Beyond that is mostly wilderness. Much of which remains virtually unexplored to this very day. To suggest that a species yet unclassified by science could not remain hidden in the Pacific Northwest represents the pinnacle of hubris. More than 200 years of eyewitness accounts combined with many more centuries of Native American and First Nation legends suggest something is out there. It is in fact far more unlikely to assume that this entire phenomenon is the result of more than two centuries of hoaxing and misidentification than it is to suggest that North America is home to a breeding population of an as yet species of unclassified bipedal primate. Just my two cents worth.

I visited the location of this in 2019, strange (but beautiful and incredibly unique) place no doubt and i forgot all about it with my earlier post. The 'Layla > Bridget' recordings are some of the most incredible recordings i've heard.

You do bring up a good point and a point that i have heard Shane talk about himself on different occasions both publicly and privately where the morality of ongoing research in this specific location is concerned, and especially in an area where it is thought of to be a possible nursing/birthing type of area. Maybe this cough cough new account ' @highlander ' can chime in ?

I'm feeling it Arvedis, i'm feeling it ! My hourly rates are on par to Piers Brosnan however it should be noted. The ball's in your court, but i'm feeling it..;)

Great post.

I think I'm also missing your general point in this thread and I'm not exactly sure what the tail end of this sentence is getting at, maybe you could clarify, but I assume you've figured that if no one is in said remote site, they can't have an encounter nor file a report.

My concept of a movie is more like the BF dream I had one time. I befriend a female BF and she builds trust in me over time. it develops into a Jane Goodall type situation where we interact. I help her speak better English and help the tribe deal with a pro kill group that is working the area. I rescue her from being hunted down and shot by the group and she gets permission for me to visit the tribe in their villiage. They are having some sort of celebration related to their history. The young female introduces me to her mother and sibblings. The Big Male Tribal leader is very threatening and does not like me there. It is suggested that I stay away from him. I ask someone if they are from another planet. The answer is no, you are. That is where my dream ends. I do not buy a Mountain Monster approach for a movie because that is not how they are. They are shy and reclusive unless you do somethign to tick them off. I suppose a special forces unit sent in to kill them could be the villians of the movie. Discovery Plus is touting some sort of new Finding Bigfoot show. Have not checked it out but Animal Planet was running Finding Bigfoot reruns. I had forgotten how annoying MM and Ranae are to me. "Are you sure what you saw walking on two legs was not a bear?" Give me a break.

https://oktalk.podbean.com/e/devils-creek-an-american-horror-story/ The podcast that I mentioned.

On the subject of mimicking, you should check out the Devil's Creek case that the guys from the OK Talk podcast were covering. Whatever was in the woods around their house would call to their dogs... using the same cadence that the husband used when calling the dogs in for the night. They were able to record the vocalizations. It sounded as if a hearing impaired person was attempting to mimic the husband.

If I’m misrepresenting your position that “Bigfoot cannot exist because humans have logged North America for 200 years and have found nothing new over 5 lbs”? I highly suggest you explain your theory further. So that we can try to understand your logic. I’m not really sure how working in the timber industry is laughable in your eyes? Are you looking for a forester with a bachelors degree? The CEO of Weyerhaeuser? What expert are you looking for? Who is qualified in your eyes? I will explain my position further. Here is a Google satellite image from British Columbia directly north of my house. British Columbia is being logged currently at a much faster rate than the USA. Notice all the clear cuts. Or “cut blocks” as our neighbors to the north would call them. It’s visible from space. But also notice all of the timber not touched in between those clear cuts. Bigfoot supposedly is a bipedal primate. We are not dealing with an Orangutan that cannot live on the forest floor. They cannot live in a clear cut. They live in the canopy of a forest. A terrestrial primate is simply going to walk over the ridge at the first sign of logging activity in their area. An Orangutan is going to move tree to tree until it is trapped. Like a fish trapped in a mud puddle separated by the main river. Clear cuts are also rotated around in 40-60 year cycles? The forest is in a constant state of regrowth. By the time they are ready to log the in between areas? The clear cuts have stands in them 60-80 feet tall. Now another thing to consider is this. Known animals like Elk and Moose LOVE clear cuts. They also love burns. Because of all the tender leafy under story that pops up with the removal of the canopy. Others? Like Woodland Caribou? Cannot survive. In winter they stay up high and with 20 feet of snow? A clear cut is a virtual wasteland to them. They eat the mosses and lichens that grow on old growth trees. Which are easily tall enough to exist above the snow level. What does this mean for a terrestrial primate? Well, we can only guess. I would assume it would like the stuff Moose and Elk like. Versus stuff a Caribou likes. And if it hunts ungulates? It’s going to go where they are. In fact Cougar have been found on the east coast that came from South Dakota. So things with legs travel afar. Even in one life time. So please excuse my confusion where Logging = No cryptids is some hard and fast rule.

Or perhaps, space monkey visitors ala Chewbacca are alive and well in the woods or cyborg versions of such that have an interest in extinct Japanese dialects and Samurai

There have been cases of them speaking English as well. A lady who Wes Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles visited had them calling not only her dog's name but her name as well. It maybe mimicking, as a parrot would do, but they seemed to understand who they were addressing. They would only call the dog's name when she had the dog outside with her. And just the fact that they might be capable of speak English when they chose to is amazing. Wes discovered her husband often called her name from outside when he got home from work so they obviously learned her name from him. There was another guy on SC who had a similar experience. He thought his friend was trying to scare him in the woods so he called out his name a few times and told him to stop it. The creature pacing him started calling out his friend's name as well. And he swears it laughed after doing it a few times, like it knew it was freaking him out and thought it was funny. That indicates a lot more than just mimicry.

I like the cyborg idea but it's too syfy channel-ish. Let's recreate that edge of your seat, being surrounded by BF scenario for the reality show. Like a james bond films usually starts off with a 15 minute crazy stunt scene, we can do something like @BobbyO running for his life and kind of dropping him into the situation of being surrounded. He'll have a gopro and recording everything. Then, you come screaming in real low in your plane or super drone and do some kind of fancy lasers or something that scatters the BF (probably bluff) attack. Bobby O is retrieved at the rendezvous point with huckleberry nest and other flora samples bagged!

The one problem with "knowing" height from basketball or football players is that most of us only see them around other big guys (or big ladies if you watch the WNBA). I suspect that if you ran some of them through terrain that only allowed brief, imperfect "sightings" of them, you'd get reports of 8-9 feet tall persons.

SW13, you did a terrific job. Bummer that they left out your credentials. Nonetheless, you came across as very credible. Well done!

That show isn't interested in the research angle, just promoting the same tired BFRO techniques they always do to show some kind of interaction. Cliff is the nicest guy in the room but he really doesn't do any useful research. He just talks like a middle school science teacher. Not that there's anything wrong with that, except when your goal is to try and outsmart a cunning creature to prove its existence. His science is lame.

I have listened to both of the "Sierra Sounds " cds many times. And we're talking probably 100 times each. What's fascinating to me is, at least in my opinion, those sounds would be impossible to fake. First and foremost, the vocalizations run the gamut of speech patterns and inflections. In the various recordings, the vocalizations contain phonemes, laughter, elements of exasperation, and the fact that there are at least 4 different sources of the vocalizations as well. You can clearly discern a very large, deep voice. A very feminine high pitched voice, and occasionally a very small voice. There is a part in the recordings where one of the hunters is mimicking one of the squatches. The squatch would whistle, or make some kind of vocalization, and the hunter would try to mimic it. At one point, clear as a bell, you can hear the squatch laughing at the hunter. The sounds were studied in the late 70's. The results were: there were at least 4 different subjects making the vocalizations. According to their findings, the deepest voice had a vocal tract of someone/something that was extraordinarily tall. I want to say they put the subject at around 8 ft. Also, they determined the whistles were made with the vocal chords, and not the pursing of lips (as humans do). The hunters believed the group consisted of "The Old Man", the deepest voice and probably the father. A female, the high pitched, feminine voice, and 2 younger ones. The first set of recordings were made in 1972. Those recordings were much more hostile sounding, and very rapid fire chimp like articulations. The second set of recording were made 2 years later in 1974, and the vocalizations were much slower, and had the sound of some sort of language. Also, the squatch in the first set of recordings was the "Old Man" in the second set of recordings. They believe the "Old Man" came back, with his family, and deliberately slowed down their vocalizations in an attempt to communicate in 1974. Look for interviews with R. Scott Nelson on this subject. In the late 2000's, his son was doing a book report on Bigfoot for school. They did a web search and came across snippets of the Sierra Sounds. Mr. Nelson is a retired Naval crypto linguist. He was trained to find coded messages in any kind of audio correspondence. Language played backwards, foreign languages played backwards, etc. He immediately identified the vocalizations as "Language as we define it". He obtained the original recordings from Ron Morehead, and had the necessary equipment to eliminate all the background noise, clean up the audio, etc. etc. Mr. Nelson said of the recordings, that again there were at least 4 different subjects, and in many instances they are talking over each other. They most definitely are speaking some kind of language as we define it. There were repeated phrases, and that they might even have names for one another. He's actually studied other recordings from various parts of the U.S., and found similarities in them. In one interview i heard, Mr. Nelson sent the recordings to a colleague in Japan that specialized in ancient Japanese dialects. His colleague contacted him and thought it was a very elaborate joke. When Mr. Nelson asked why, colleague responded with '" There are small bits of a Japanese dialect that no one has used in centuries in these recordings." Maybe the Samurai Chatter, as we call it, is just that. If you have not heard these, they are very much worth listening to. There's actually lots of other interesting things about the vocalizations, but this kind of touches on the high points.

NorthWind and I just live in an awesome location, and I've been fortunate enoght to have had very knowledgeable mentors for a short time (thanks, Tobe Johnson and "Tracker"!), who pointed me in the right direction early on, and I extrapolated the relevant data, applied it elsewhere and hit paydirt. Teaming with NorthWind was the cherry on top, since our research methods and capabilities are superbly compatible. All our spots are within an hour or so of where we live. They are rural, but not extremely so, for the most part. I assume, since Oregon became more populated after the 1850's, that the sasquatch had much more mire room to roam back then, and we humans now encroach on their territory as we extend our homes into the woods. I find the edges - where people and sasquatch clash, to be good places for interactions. We get to hear a lot of stories lately, and follow up as we can. Bigfoots pissed at campers. Sasquatch throwing rocks at people at boat ramps, bigffots spying on campers or looking in the windows of very rural households etc.

@Explorer they reached out to me. I was loosly in contact with cliff earlier in the year due to a report I was following up on that had just happened the day before. We sent him pictures of the casts etc. A lot of physical evidence was recorded, theres a thread on that area and the report here. I'll link it below. They were already in contact with me before I submitted for the contest so it was already in the works, and had been for several months apparantly. I took them into my research area since there were multiple reports for 2019 and 2020 that had taken place there, figured it was the best bet for any kind of real data collection here. Heres the other thread.

Utilize the thousands of trails, forestry roads, and secondary roads that already run through habitats, and the thousands of already established primitive campsites. Many already do this and still there are sighting reports and encounters of all kinds day and night. How many times have people said they weren't ready for that perfect photo or video, or even audio, when their encounters occurred, or that road crossing happened. But if they were, then we'd have tons of images and videos just form people being in normal places. A footprint along a road or trail is just as good as one three miles in. No remote footprints, and they are indeed found, has led to proof so far. Those prints say the same thing as prints that are more local- that a BF was there but is no longer. And then active areas that are newly discovered go dormant. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put all of this together with the experiences at the nesting sites to figure out what's going on. The common denominator is that our presence isn't appreciated. even areas that people say are continually active and shows signs of presence haven't produced much of anything. I truly think that deep research into habitat is counterproductive. A recent study miles into remote locations north of British Columbia deployed hundreds of camera traps over many square kilometers and caught just about every animal one could thing of- except the one we're interested in. I will bring in some data and maps on that in a little while. I'd also like to talk more about the purpose of the study.

On rare occasions, bull sharks have been found a fair distance north of the Gulf, in the Mississippi River. Let's say you desperately wanted to hook a bull shark using fishing tackle. Would you cast your line 100 miles upstream from the mouth of the Mississippi? Or would you cast your line where the river converges with the Gulf of Mexico?

Cool toys.....doesn't really seem relative but if you think that makes you an expert on logging industry in America...good for you! Where did I say anything about eradication of anything, due to logging? Where did I say anything about anything not existing because of logging? I'm not sure why you want to put words in my mouth, but I'd appreciate if you would stop, maybe buy less cool toys and do as I suggested to the OP and do a little research on logging in the US. Its ok to be wrong, but most embarrassing when you double down IMO.