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OK, bear with me. Crazy theory, short version. Doodler's Grand Unified Bigfoot Theory. Stop me if this has been covered here before, it sounds oddly familiar. Bigfoot is a people inhabiting the Western Hemisphere (and all other areas, but dominating here in NA) for hundreds of thousands of years whose society was completely destroyed by the Younger Dryas impact event, then were nearly entirely wiped out by disease carried by the first modern humans to cross the Pacific thousands of years later. They're the megafauna version of modern human, then what the first Spaniards to hit South America did to the South Americans, thus the South Americans did to the bigfoot who predated them. You all probably know this, the Younger Dryas is a period in our geologic past prior to the last ice age and there is credible, and more accepted every year, evidence of a global catastrophe, more specifically a comet or meteor impact, possibly in Greenland but also with secondary impacts all over the Northern hemisphere causing an extinction level event. There are regular discoveries of evidence appearing as far as Antarctica in the layer around 12,800 years ago, where exotic material levels spike like carbon materials that don't exist in other layers, like micro diamonds, and char as well as radical differences in other materials like platinum. This evidence is well documented, published in journals such as Nature and peer reviewed papers world wide. This is becoming more and more mainstream, and I believe as evidence mounts, it'll be commonly accepted fact that this was the trigger that killed off most megafauna and possibly triggered the ice age, but also wiped out nearly all human civilization on the planet at the time. The rapid rise in sea level is thought to give rise to the nearly global biblical flood myth. On top of this, there is more and more evidence every year of habitation in North America being discovered in older and older layers, long before the last ice age, for example, sites dated 25k years ago, and sites dated as early as 130k years ago. These locations are habitation sites like earthworks featuring geometric shapes, cave habitats and more. Even limits in otherwise thought of as inhospitable areas are being broken, the Amazon for example, long presumed to have been populated a mere thousand years ago is being explored with LIDAR and mounds are being discovered all over the place, mounds that predate modern concepts of initial habitation dates there. Further, there's an almost conspiratorial denial of this in many science communities, and a false limit placed on human habitation, the "Clovis Limit", where archeologists AND Native American activists deny human habitation prior to the last ice age. For example, if you attempt to test DNA for pre-clovis samples, expect huge barriers to be thrown up from lawsuits to intimidation and funding loss. I remember one such fight, of remains found where they weren't even allowed to be dated, let alone DNA tested. But so much pre-Clovis habitation evidence exists and has been published that archeologists who deny it with the "Clovis Limit" are starting to look like kooks. The script has flipped, so to speak. I believe this also will be considered fact before too long, like the meteor impact. Finally, connecting the dots, I propose that bigfoot are a people who co-evolved, breaking off a long while back, spread out well in advance of modern man to occupy the Americas and build a society, were wiped out in the direct impact event of the Younger Dryas, and subsequent climate change caused by the catastrophe, and while modern man in other parts of the world bounced back and accelerated, they did not. Modern governments actually know this, all of it, and refuse to acknowledge it because of the other evidence of earlier societies, and earlier advanced non-human societies, would disrupt modern man's primacy mentality. Additionally, the fact that bigfoot was wide spread throughout the world prior to this even has lead to a natural world wide genetic memory of the big hairy creature in the woods as well as a real tribal memory passed down for tens of thousands of years of the same. And that's my grand unified bigfoot theory. How crazy is it? At the very least, it's a great plot for a thriller where in the end, the great explorer is brought into the circle of trust and introduced to the secret world hidden by governments everywhere to live with the bigfoots or something. Could this be proven genetically? Is there a great mitochondrial dna pinch point 12,800 years ago or so? I don't even know, never checked. Also, if we can get mitochondrial DNA from bigfoot, can't we tell how far back we split off (if they even did?).

Great topic! I read all kinds of science every day and my feeling is there is an elephant in the room. Science already knows the "Clovis Limit" is no longer sustainable. What happens in academics though is change is slow to be accepted. Too many loopholes and room for controversy unless a scientific argument is airtight. So the argument will last forever until that indisputable model of evidence is built. There are also people who exploit academic research and twist it for their own personal gain. One of the worst offenders is Graham Hancock who is a classic snake oil salesman. He and other pseudo "catastrophe" writers skew perception of historical and scientific events among the general public. It's easy to point to younger dryas, comets. volcanos, any catastrophic event and say, this happened as a result of x. But, the science of it is not sustainable. It's just a good story to sell. To me, it is obvious there was habitation in the Americas prior to last known indigenous peoples. But I don't know who they were other than they seemed to be indigenous-like. To convince anyone of that theory with science however would require stepping out of the box too far to sustain it.

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Sites: Cerutti, I find the hammer stones at 30 pounds to be interesting because the skeptics report that 30 pounds is too heavy for humans. A guy named Steve Holen's reports on two sites in Kansas and Nebraska that are about 14,000 to 33,000 years old. Pennsylvania’s Meadowcroft Rockshelter and Chile’s Monte Verde are two good examples too, much older than Clovis. I think the doubt that infects academic scholars is a disease. They're addicted to harming others who discover something that challenges the status quo. As for who the people were, no clue, but I think the out-of-africa timelines are clearly broken if there are people using tools hundreds of thousands of years ago on every continent. Couple that to the fact that neanderthal DNA lives on? As for who built the mounds, a 12,800 years ago is a truly long time. That's enough time to change the size of animals, select for larger or smaller examples. It's enough time to lighten skin, darken skin, change hair. No matter who these ancient people were, today's academic scholars will fight tooth and nail to deny they ever existed, bigfoot or not.

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I forgot about this report. Very strange, It was off the coast of Florida and 2 fishermen were heading out for a day on the water. At a certain point, they came upon a sasquatch swimming in the ocean. They followed it in the boat for a half an hour and the squatch was swimming full speed the whole time. Apparently it never paid attention to the boat, but they 2 fisherman said once they quit following it, it continued swimming at a very rapid speed towards open ocean.

Hiflier - Sure, it sounds outrageous, but consider this. As you stated earlier in this thread, a 5 ft tall chimp is 4x stronger than a human. We can safely assume even the weakest sasquatch is much, much stronger than an extraordinarily strong man. If the sasquatch that picked up the car was 10 ft. tall, and weighed 1000 lbs. I don't think it's beyond the capabilities of a sasquatch at all. Lasha Talakhadze set the clean and jerk world record for 582 lbs. Lasha is 6'6" and 371 pounds. Very small compared to the bigger sasquatch. Now, did the sasquatch keep it under one arm and walk away? I honestly don't remember what the report said. It might have picked it up, put it under one arm briefly and dropped it after a few yards. Anyway, food for thought.

A couple of thoughts. First off, what ancient sites in the Americas are you referring to? These? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerutti_Mastodon_site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hueyatlaco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man_Site What do you ascribe “people” to? Homo Erectus left Africa before us. So did others. But it’s widely accepted Homo Erectus was first. To make what we know about the fossil record work with proposed ancient pre Clovis sites in the Americas? These sites would not have been used by modern Humans or Homo Sapiens. They are either too old for our species entirely. Or our species had not yet left Africa. Homo Erectus flaked stone hand axes called “Achulean” technology. And used fire. I could accept Homo Erectus losing its technology and regressing back to something akin to a Bigfoot. But a formed society building mound structures and doing other actions associated with Homo Sapiens? I don’t think so. The species is almost 2 million years old. And we have evidence it inhabited Africa, Asia and Europe. We don’t see evidence of them building societies like ancient Human societies. They were basically stereotypical cave men. Lastly we are in a cycle of ice ages called the milankovitch cycle. A asteroid could alter the cycles affects on the planet but ultimately the orbit and tilt decides our planets fate. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/ Could something have gotten to the Americas before Homo Sapiens? I think the answer is a hard maybe. Although we need fossil evidence of what that was. Homo Erectus? Denisovans? Paranthropus? How old is bipedalism itself? One last note. The “Hobbit” got to Flores Island by sea. It was never connected to mainland Asia in the time frame in which Homo Erectus was spreading into the area. If Homo Erectus could sail even short distances? It opens up many questions as just how wide spread it may have been.

And BOOM! There it is, and I'm 100% behind that P-G. At least you have an attorney that probably has an emotional stake in winning the case....um....you two are getting along okay, right?

I am not. If they exist and if I ever encounter one. I am taking the shot. My niece is an attorney. I will deal with the fallout later.

Maybe he was going to teach another sasquatch a lessen. Being bonked on the head with a crushed car would surly leave a mark.

Just because you keep calling Patty a mythical beast doesn't mean that she is. You know a lot of people are working hard in the field and elsewhere to prove Sasquatch reality and so to keep using the phrase "mythical beast" every chance you get could be seen as an affront to their efforts. Might I respectfully request that you reduce the frequency of using the phrase a bit? I mean we all know what your opinion on the matter is without the constant reminders. It's only my opinion but the constant reminders have moved into something a bit more than simply reminders. Thank you