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Because he is constantly aggressive to people who are skeptical, whether you want to accept it or not the general public thinks this is all a joke. No amount of convincing will sway them otherwise, not without a body. Right now, he is labelled and seen as a crook, liar and a lunatic. You could argue, who cares what people think? Well, it actually matters a lot, if the species were proven to be real the effects on the environment would be unimaginable. Land would be protected, wildlife habitats and old growth forests would be protected, there would be a major push to protect most of our wildlife areas around the country, and this would lead to more potential discoveries elsewhere in the world, on a Planet we are currently helping to kill. He does have a responsibility for not only the Sasquatch species, but their discovery would have untold benefits for nature as a whole. Instead, he is relying on word of mouth to boost his celebrity-esque ego...not credible in any way. He has the resources, use them. Otherwise, this subject will remain a joke and continue down this stagnant path. The database is fine, I just think he is under utilizing it.

Just my 2 cents more on BFRO's published reports. Notwithstanding any or all of the problems the published BFRO reports may have, they are far and away the most comprehensive, detailed, and useful reports. I'm doing my own database for the northeast US (and that part of Canada next to us). To get data, I read reports (1600+ so far) from BFRO, this forum, the original (old guard Excel) JG database, Bobbi Short's (RIP) Bigfoot encounters, books, and numerous bigfoot "research" websites, some with their own tv shows, etc., etc., etc. I note this simply to point out that I've had the opportunity to evaluate reports from multiple different sources and compare the quality of those source's reports. A lot collections of information are just that - collections with little to no additional information other than what was in a random newspaper clipping, a note from a witness, or what a guy told a guy who told a guy. In the modern internet and computer era, most other "research" website's are horrendous. Someone sends in a report that is essentially, "I was in Maine last year and saw a bigfoot at my friend's cabin in the woods." And that is what gets posted, along with a redacted e-mail address to show that the serious "researcher" had a bona fide witness who provided the information. Well rather than posting that silly report, why didn't the researcher e-mail back and get the 5 W's of the encounter and then post that information? Even if they had to muddle some of it up to protect the witness's privacy (i.e., the encounter happened about 5 miles west of Anytown rather than giving the witness's street address), the community as a whole would have more concrete information to deal with. And don't even get me going about the lack of concrete Bigfoot details in these le se reports - "my friend and I watched it walk across an open field from only 100 yards away for two minutes, then ran away." Really? then the report should provide how tall, how wide, hair color/length, mannerisms, vocalizations observed during that time, etc. Its understandable that someone typing out a quick e-mail not think of all those details as important, but a "researcher" posting an account certainly should run through a checklist of questions and be able to pull that information from the witness or be able to judge the explanation for why the witness can't provide the information. Short version of this rant - the BFRO published reports are likely the best we're going to get for a long time. Edited to do the proofreading I should have done before hitting "Publish"

This subject is a joke...to whom? Perhaps to those in your world but not mine. People I speak with find it fascinating and while not everyone is willing to accept it is real they are almost, to a person, open minded about it and willing to hear the reasons why I am convinced. I take exception to your characterization of MM. If you disagree with his methods, or think BFRO should handle things differently, what is stopping you from putting up your money and sallying forth your efforts to start an organization that will do the things you think ring true? Become the new BFRO and accomplish the lofty goals you outlined above. It's easy to sit back and complain. It's something altogether different to use your own resources and tireless efforts to make the changes you believe need to be done. I'd bet dollars to donuts that in the early days MM spent untold hours and plenty of money building the BFRO without getting a penny for his efforts. Whatever financial dividends inure to him now from his efforts hitherto are well deserved. He built it the old-fashion way with lots of sweat and I'd bet lots of sleepless nights.

It’s his money to do how he chooses, he’s not obligated to spend it on spearheading a true expedition just because that’s what you want or would do. The BFRO provides a large free database of sightings. How does his free database do harm?

Can you show me a peer reviewed article that states the downfall of Neanderthals was based on their reproductive systems? Namely adult females only go into heat once a year?

Yep, there's only one way of proving this animals exists and that's by putting one on a slab, no matter how that happens. We all (should) know that by now. Like it or not, there are people out there that research this subject that don't necessarily want to do either of those things however, for a number of different reasons, and many of whom 'know' anyway so don't need to prove anything to anyone. As per usual with humans, it's all down to individual selfishness either way with how 'we' view this subject.

I carry a personal ELT. I figure my experience with overwater flying and fuel management will come in handy for battery pack management. For those of you that think nothing about getting on an airliner headed for Hawaii, that stretch of water between the mainland and Hawaii is the longest overwater route in the world, with no emergency landing options. There are no islands out there. Two engine alrliners use special rules (ETOPS) and are specially equipped for ETOPs operation. They do not have enough fuel for the trip without re-release near the midpoint of the flight. The problem being if you get half way there, and loose an engine, and have to descend, you do not have legal fuel to continue to the destinaiton or turn around and have legal fuel researves. With the re-release procedure, at the ETOPs point, you theoretically have enough fuel to continue and land. Kind of a smoke and mirrors situation to stay legal. There is a lot of water out there. The Atlantic is like a pond compared with the Pacific.

The problem is, the people spearheading research, the people with the money like, ahem...Moneymaker, are uninterested in proving the species but moreso expanding his business. This does more damage to the cause than good. Instead, he could be using that money to spearhead a true expedition, a real investigation that turns up actual results. Funding is a major obstacle in this field and he is sitting on a perfect opportunity.

In all of this I only have one thing to say, biggest discovery in 200 years?...solve it. When will enough reports be enough reports? I mean, saying, "See? That person saw one too," has happened a thousand times. Groups like the Olympic Project has (or had) 40 members including Dr. Meldrum and others and they haven't succeeded yet. But the thing is, we already KNOW how to prove the creature exists. Shouldn't that enough to put the matter to rest in fairly short order? We need science in a big way in order to do that, though. Meldrum is a scientist, and he knows that, too.

Not true at all. Reports are kept private for different reasons but for the sole use of BFRO investigators is not one of them. Some reporters do not wish their reports made public, for various reasons (trespassers, reporter is high profile, etc.), and those wishes are honoured. Reports that have not been entered into the database because they haven't been investigated yet (there are quite a few of those) are also not publicly accessible. As are the number of fake reports ("I saw a bigfoot yesterday. I just finished some shrooms with my buddy Billy, and it was making a sandwich in his kitchen. It had big b**bs, like Billy's mom"). You wouldn't believe how many of those ones the investigators run across. I was their investigator in China for a while, but since I came back in 2015, They saw no need for one anymore and was dropped. I am no longer a member of that organization.

and likley poached from a local researcher who didnt keep the place to themselves. As long as long things BFRO flow through Moneymaker, the group will be very flawed, essentially the Walmart of Bigfooting

I'm sure you say that in jest. 10 miles in either direction means at least 40 sq miles which is over 25,000 acres. So you're not in the woods unless you in more than 25,000 acres? There is always a bigger dog in the fight. By comparison, the unhabited forests of Alaska would make the sasquatch-dream states of Oregon or Washington State look like Central Park in NYC. I'll take those two "urban" states any day.

Hah, me skeptical of the subject, I have many recordings of gibberish, animalistic verbalization mashups and a 5 ft upclose nocturnal sighting with multiples (and about six years of intensive research in one area to go with it). Should have used my sardonic/ironic emoticon obviously. And yes I own the Sierra Sounds CD's have listened to Ron Morehead at conferences and have followed Scott Nelson since inception. I have recorded the same whistle as was picked up 100 miles east of me in NC so I have triangulated some of my research and correlated it regionally too.

Welcome Chelsisqueen , OpenMind & SusieQ !

I'd say lack of effort, if I have to guess, or maybe a lack of technical skills. Maybe they didn't know HOW to add a picture.. I read Carter's book. I enjoyed it, except now I've already forgotten most of what was in it. It's an easy read. They did not use any pictures from my report, but that's ok by me. I did my own follow up on the forum. We took a bunch of pictures when we were trying to get the height figured out. TK Bell is the investigator (pray for her - she's going through something horrific this week) She recorded the interview for mine and several other sightings on the Omaha Rez. Problem is that I don't think anybody else ever submitted the other sightings to get them published. Some day I will get my own interview of the other witness to my encounter, something I should have done that day. My head was not on straight though. I didn't even take a picture of the location until 20 minutes later, and should have bush-whacked in there to look for tracks or hair. I also had audio that was recorded the next morning, near the sighting location. They didn't use that in the report either, but I cannot be certain it was not people out squatching that made the yells.

I've lived in Iowa and I absolutely despised it. I went deer hunting a couple of times. Once, at a state park that was literally 100 acres with 20 other hunters showing up to try and get a herd of about 8 deer. It was pathetic and dangerous. The other time was on a private church camp of about 500 acres. I could see houses the whole time I was there. If you can walk in literally any direction and hit a paved road within ten miles, you are not in the woods. Where I go a lot for berry picking and exploring, you can literally head East and not hit a paved road for nearly 100 miles. This is looking East from a lookout site in Idaho. The next paved road is over 100 miles away near Lolo, Montana. There are no towns, no civilization, no power, no nothing for 100 miles. Most city folks and others from populated areas have no concept of just how vast the wilderness is out here.

Those were the names of the property owners dogs. The husband used to call the dogs in every night and use the same way to call them in every night. That same way that he used to call them was picked up one night by a recorder on the property at like 03:00am when he was away on work, by a voice, in the exact same way that he used to call them. This is the three part series with Donna who owned the property and was obviously one of the two owners of the property ( her and her husband) and is a really good listen. I can't recall in which episode the specific clip that we are talking about is in i'm afraid. I'll ask Shane to try to narrow it down and will revert back to the thread. Donna Interview Part 1 Donna Interview Part 2 Donna Interview Part 3

Thanks again for this. I just got done listening to the podcast. Seriously amazing and sometimes creepy. I'm impressed they stayed there as long as they did. Especially the wife, who was there alone much of the time. But, other than some house slapping, those individuals seemed almost friendly. No aggressive behavior towards them or any of their animals over a period of several years. The combination of their non-aggressive behavior and their mimicry makes me wonder if they were actually quite fond of the couple and if their mimicry was their way of trying to reach out to them, or at least to send the message that they weren't a threat. Kind of like "See, we're just like you". Fascinating stuff!

Speaking of BF research vehicles I finished my Treck Farley fat tire bike electric conversion and did some trail riding yesterday. It will really open up some areas for me that I have not been able to get into. I was delighted to note that most people were not aware I was coming up behind them on the trail until I was just a few feet away. That seems to show that it would be easy to catch a BF crossing trail in front of me because it might not hear me coming. Equally delightful was being able to accellerate going up a steep hill just with moderate pedalling to assist the motor. I decided to do a front wheel drive because of simplicity and weight distribution carrying gear on a carrier in the back. The added benifit is that in high torque situations the bike has no tendency to do a wheely. It just pulls the bike through loose dirt and gravel sort of like a front wheel drive car does well in snow. My range appears to be in excess of 50 miles in mountainous areas. Supposedly the battery picks up some capacity after a few charge cycles. I got a 21 AH battery which is large for a bike. That range is both good and bad. Good in that it opens up more backcountry for a day trip but bad if something goes wrong and I cannot make it out before dark. I probably should mount a headlight just in case.

Pretty cool discovery. Forrest Tucker of F-Troop fame is also in that flick. "I have seen...what men must not see...." @Believer57 check out the clip. There's your narrator. 😉

My question is, how is he doing harm by providing the database, especially considering it’s free. Sounds like the response is because he is not doing enough? I don’t buy that, he’s done an essential part, providing data. He could choose to do more but he’s not obligated to. If someone does spearhead an expedition are you then going to ask why they don’t provide a database? If they choose not to are they doing harm?