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@wiiawiwb This is not a counter-point to your argument about rarity of tree falls during hiking and backpacking. I also rarely experience tree falls while hiking or backpacking, but I have heard them while camping in highly diseased areas in the Sierra Nevada of California and more recently in WA. In August of 2019, I was camping in WA Cascades (5 nights) and heard a big tree fall on 3 nights! I don't know the WA Cascades that well, but that area probably has diseased trees too. The trees fell either late at night (~10-11 PM) or early in the morning (~4-5 AM) and I did not go looking for the fallen trees in the morning since the area was a high density forest. I record 8 hours every night (from 9 PM to 5 AM), so I captured these sounds and made sound clips of the recordings because they were so loud and bigger than anything I heard in California. Attached below are the recordings I made using the Tascam DR-05. I have 2 of these recorders and I am happy with them. I take them car camping and backpacking. The 2 AA energizer batteries will last three 8 hour nights of continuous recording (24 hours total). Tree Fall 153 CLIP August 6 1056 PM Normalized - Copy.mp3 Tree Fall 163 CLIP Aug 7 1020 PM Normalized - Copy.mp3 Tree Fall 193 CLIP Aug 10 456 AM Normalized - Copy.mp3

I’m definitely feeling closer to getting out there more!

Wow, they are distinct and loud tree falls! Your Tascams provide a long recording time which is perfect for what we do. That's great. Change out batteries the next night and you're set to go. A few years ago, several guys and I went to this a pond where a sighting had occurred by someone known to us. The first time there, a tree came down at night. We returned and the second, third and fourth times there, a tree came down. This area, in general, has about two dozen ponds scattered about like broken glass. The trees coming down this year were at another pond about a mile from the one that had four fallen trees in a row. For me, that's too many to be a coincidence and one of the reasons it's one of my two research areas.

Opsec is essential to keep an active area "nuetral". The minute everyone knows its location, it's open to hoaxing, misidentification, the dueling banjos of multiple groups of wood knockers.....

Getting out is more than half the battle. I think it was Samuel Goldwyn who said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get."

The fires from last fall really messed things up around here. However, with our July sighting and a possible one a few months later, it's hard to be too discouraged. I just wish we knew where our little family went to.

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Done. Tell him I want one of those flags for my office!

I'd advise quitting while you're behind.

I have mixed feelings about the BFRO. It's not for me, but (as I have to occasionally remind myself) that doesn't mean that it doesn't provide a service to others. A few posters that I respect here on the BFF have had positive things to say about the BFRO, so it does bring value to the field and offers a service to those who might not get out into the woods otherwise. If they are misrepresenting their investigation efforts, then that's pretty shady...but, at the same time, I am not taking the time and expense to put up a publicly available database like they are...so, I really don't have a dog in the fight. If anyone finds what they do so distasteful, then start your own group of researchers and show the BFRO how it's done. I think that Matt Moneymaker probably isn't someone who I would care to spend any time around, but the guy has dedicated his life to this subject. You can't deny that. He makes a living doing this...and I think that is the cause of most of the jealousy. Same thing with Wes Germer or any other figure who gets mentioned and them immediately character assassinated on here. I will say that the constant negativity here concerning everyone and anything in the Bigfootsphere is getting pretty old. I know that I have been guilty of it in the past, but it's gotten pretty deep here. I know that division runs pretty deep in this community, but people who spend all of their time bashing others involved in the field is no different than Bigfoot skeptics who spend all of their time trying to debunk or ridicule people who know or believe. You are ignoring a great side business idea here. Diplomas are cheap to print.

Headed up N to check out the latest local Class B: https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=67335 Bushwhacked the woods behind the incident area for a few hours looking for any possible track sign in crusty snow. Not quite thick as grass but anything sizeable isn't getting through quietly... Out to the brook which I followed the frozen edge of for a while, passing beaver lodges, black huckleberry, labrador tea, rhodora and alder. Patches of open water in places. Not too fond of ice over moving water: Headed back into the woods up stream a ways--but not before busting through the ice, kept thin by insulating grasses, I was grateful for waterproof boots and gaiters-- and followed up a skidder trail, coyote and bobcat tracks into a cut/blowdown field that agitated my inner ocd sufferer: Then back to scope out the camps in an attempt to ascertain the reporters place, may have been the camp with this at the gate. By the look of things, I didn't think I was "here" but obliged regardless: I saw one trackway of 6 large prints, straight line, ~4' between steps, possible mid-tarsal break before I realized someone with snow shoes had walked down the access road with one foot in old tire track so it only showed every other step. All of this had been rained, lightly snowed upon and refrozen. It was vague but got me hopes up for a sec. On the way out:

https://oktalk.podbean.com/e/devils-creek-an-american-horror-story/ The podcast that I mentioned.

I have listened to both of the "Sierra Sounds " cds many times. And we're talking probably 100 times each. What's fascinating to me is, at least in my opinion, those sounds would be impossible to fake. First and foremost, the vocalizations run the gamut of speech patterns and inflections. In the various recordings, the vocalizations contain phonemes, laughter, elements of exasperation, and the fact that there are at least 4 different sources of the vocalizations as well. You can clearly discern a very large, deep voice. A very feminine high pitched voice, and occasionally a very small voice. There is a part in the recordings where one of the hunters is mimicking one of the squatches. The squatch would whistle, or make some kind of vocalization, and the hunter would try to mimic it. At one point, clear as a bell, you can hear the squatch laughing at the hunter. The sounds were studied in the late 70's. The results were: there were at least 4 different subjects making the vocalizations. According to their findings, the deepest voice had a vocal tract of someone/something that was extraordinarily tall. I want to say they put the subject at around 8 ft. Also, they determined the whistles were made with the vocal chords, and not the pursing of lips (as humans do). The hunters believed the group consisted of "The Old Man", the deepest voice and probably the father. A female, the high pitched, feminine voice, and 2 younger ones. The first set of recordings were made in 1972. Those recordings were much more hostile sounding, and very rapid fire chimp like articulations. The second set of recording were made 2 years later in 1974, and the vocalizations were much slower, and had the sound of some sort of language. Also, the squatch in the first set of recordings was the "Old Man" in the second set of recordings. They believe the "Old Man" came back, with his family, and deliberately slowed down their vocalizations in an attempt to communicate in 1974. Look for interviews with R. Scott Nelson on this subject. In the late 2000's, his son was doing a book report on Bigfoot for school. They did a web search and came across snippets of the Sierra Sounds. Mr. Nelson is a retired Naval crypto linguist. He was trained to find coded messages in any kind of audio correspondence. Language played backwards, foreign languages played backwards, etc. He immediately identified the vocalizations as "Language as we define it". He obtained the original recordings from Ron Morehead, and had the necessary equipment to eliminate all the background noise, clean up the audio, etc. etc. Mr. Nelson said of the recordings, that again there were at least 4 different subjects, and in many instances they are talking over each other. They most definitely are speaking some kind of language as we define it. There were repeated phrases, and that they might even have names for one another. He's actually studied other recordings from various parts of the U.S., and found similarities in them. In one interview i heard, Mr. Nelson sent the recordings to a colleague in Japan that specialized in ancient Japanese dialects. His colleague contacted him and thought it was a very elaborate joke. When Mr. Nelson asked why, colleague responded with '" There are small bits of a Japanese dialect that no one has used in centuries in these recordings." Maybe the Samurai Chatter, as we call it, is just that. If you have not heard these, they are very much worth listening to. There's actually lots of other interesting things about the vocalizations, but this kind of touches on the high points.

I'd be very reluctant to wear the Rocky Mountain High gaiters if snake protection is what you seek. The RMH gaiters are a multi-purpose gaiter that are not designed to repel a snakebite. OR doesn't even mention the word snake when describing these gaiters. The website says they are for hiking, backpacking and cross-country skiing. https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens-rocky-mountain-high-gaiters-243108#eyJvcl9zaXplIjoiNzIifQ__ There are a number of gaiters that are designed specifically for snake protection. The lightest is made by Turtleskin. I have a pair of these gaiters for use most of the time and also have a pair of Turtleskin chaps that I use when going off trail in an area where there are steep inclines. I've been in contact with several herpetologists and not one was aware of a bite from a Timber Rattler (the snake I deal with) in the wild above the knee. They thought it could be possible if the snake was above your feet, as with an incline, or if you were sitting down on a log. That's where the chaps come into play. https://turtleskin.com/default/outdoor-snake-protection/snakearmor-snake-protection.html

Miscreant for agreeing on someone making declarations without being on site for the report being less than acceptable? Really?

What are the thoughts of some on the BFRO? It's management? It's being for Profit model? It's roll in Finding Bigfoot? Add any other thoughts to.