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Good find! I highly doubt a logger would have known much of anything about great apes during the 1920s. Most people hadn't seen a gorilla in those days as the mountain gorilla was only recently discovered in 1902 and wasn't common in zoos until decades later. Unless of course the guy's hobby was studying apes, which I'm not sure would have been a common interest for an early 20th century logger/prospector. Most people in the Pacific Northwest were familiar with wildman folklore, but as I mentioned above, familiarity with wildman folklore doesn't necessarily equate to accurate knowledge of Sasquatch anatomy. John Green even mentioned an old high school year book from British Columbia which depicted Sasquatches as large yet otherwise normal looking men with long hair on their heads. They were not depicted with ape-like characteristics nor were they seen as covered with body hair. Most considered Sasquatches to be another Indian tribe, albeit of gigantic stature. Indeed, the only people familiar with their accurate appearance would likely have been those who had sightings, or Native Americans who were familiar with the species through local tradition.

The late, great Bobbie Short's interview with Aeron Paul Wilson. The interview is regarding Wilson mistaking a bent-over Sasquatch for a black bear, and sending an arrow into the creature, which proved fatal. The hunter provides an absolutely detailed description of the event, and of the body of the creature. Hoping you'll enjoy the interview as much as I did.

I went with the Honda Pioneer 500 since it is under 50" wide and is legal to go around the USFS gates with. Mine has a little lift and bigger tires.

Went out today to a new area to try and find some mushrooms. This area is known as McCroskey State Park right on the border of Washington and Idaho. Not a particularly remote area, but I recall a rather large clear cut area that would make for an excellent spot for morel mushrooms. It's also about 7 miles as the crow flies from the Bigfoot sighting at my dad's property, and about a mile from a friend who lives off-grid and shot and killed a wolf/coyote hybrid. Weather was a perfect 65 degrees with light wind. Found some likely wolf tracks, but they were a little small, so either another hybrid, or someone's dog. But, no human tracks in the area I was in. No luck finding mushrooms, or shed antlers, or Bigfoot sign out in the clearcut area, so headed up into the timber and found some interesting things. This looked like a makeshift shelter that was created by pushing a few trees over. But, no tracks or hair found. This was another bedding spot created by a downed tree that was used by something big, but again, no hair or or other sign. Found some Trillium flowers, which are a sign of morels nearby, but no morels. Still, great day in the woods.

Here is a more modern account. (Airplanes)

There are tons of missing persons cases that don’t make the 411 books. Tons of them have perfectly mundane explanations. Like getting lost and dying from exposure or drowning. There are also real head scratchers like a Montana girl being carried off by a bipedal bear and then the bear hides her in a hollow log and takes care of her for three days during a snow storm. And many others that don’t fit anywhere close to mundane. Dennis Martin is one such case. I really raise my eye brows when people report bears in association with abductions but the bear is simply doing things that bears dont do. Like throw children over their shoulders and stride off. I think for many people a large upright hairy figure is bear like and so that’s how they describe it. https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article219134245.html Unlike above.... These accounts are not Indian legends. These are factual police reports. We can try to poke holes in them.... we can poke holes in the legends and we can poke holes in the subject of Bigfoot itself. But boiled down to brass tacks to the OP’s Ostman interview? Is he somehow out of line with supposed Bigfoot traits such as kidnapping? No. Is his experience out of line with other mysterious reports and missing persons? No. Could a large 800 lbs upright hominid pack a human off if it wanted to? Absolutely. Do we need proof that Bigfoot exists? Absolutely.

It’s true that they do training in the Nantahala, but they train there regularly. Lots of people (some of them children) go missing in that area and the Green Berets don’t come out for those searches. There was something different about the Martin disappearance. Also, the fact that they were armed is strange. I recall reading that the Green Berets allowed a couple of local reporters take a few pics of them staging up to search and were unarmed in those pics. They immediately afterwards armed up and separated their search from the locals entirely...separate communications, no more press, no one else was allowed in their grid, etc. I am pretty sure that I have seen it stated from different sources that they were very secretive and removed from the rest of the searchers.

This was in the area where I had my encounters. Heading back out there in June.

Went out yesterday with a bunch of old HS buddies. Good times! Couldn't get to the top of little Boulder. Too much snow. So we came down to a old gravel pit and ate lunch and started a fire. The Roxor did good, but would like a lift, better tires and lockers. That little diesel just chugs along and sips fuel.

My favorite account is the Bauman story. Down by where I used to pack mules!

Historical accounts? Check out the work of Timothy Renner and Chad Arment. They detail early American reports of wild men and gorillas in the woods...sightings of which that often resulted in armed posses going into the woods in pursuit. Most of these reports are from the late 18th/early 19th century, so it looks like there was a period where the Sasquatch were not as predatory but were still more visible than today. Kind of a learning curve... Also, A) If these creatures are as intelligent as many suspect, they might well have hung back and observed the white man when he showed up on the scene. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that these new comers carried powerful weapons that could kill at a distance and that the balance of power had irrevocably changed. B) Folklore, legend, verbal histories are like the fossil record...incomplete. Plenty of accounts survived to modern day, but who knows what all has been lost over time. There could be a couple of accounts of Sasquatch being shot where said accounts were lost and forgotten. Now, add disease to the equation. There is a theory that smallpox may have ravaged the Sasquatch population along with the Native Americans. New comers show up on your continent with sticks that shoot thunder and lightning...and now members of your group are dropping like flies from a previously unknown ailment. It’s enough to make a Bigfoot give up his life of snatching women by the riverside and retreat deeper into the wilderness.

As Sherlock Holmes says, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” Very strange indeed, I agree with that!

I don't 'believe' every word that's said as for example, after extensive research that was shared on BFF 1.0 a few years back, i'm of the opinion that he got his inlets and even mountains mixed up and possibly even exaggerated a few things, but i'm all good that he had a pretty unique experience with our subject, no danger.

You're assuming my implication was that all non-indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest had no accurate knowledge of Sasquatch-like creatures before 1957. I meant nothing of the sort. Some did (particularly those who had encounters) many did not. Furthermore, knowledge of local Wildman folklore doesn't necessarily equate to accurate information about Sasquatches. As I mentioned before, many non-indigenous people of British Columbia assumed Sasquatches to be just another Indian tribe, albeit men of exceptionally large size. They weren't viewed as being especially hairy. The level of detail Ostman described in his account, while not conclusively proving that he had an encounter, certainly adds to his credibility.

If you guys are going to downvote P-G every time that he says that he doesn’t believe one of these accounts...well, your thumbs are going to get tired before you change his mind. Why downvote a respectful skeptic? Look at it like this, the day that P-G finds something presented here as possible evidence of Sasquatch, then we will know that we have something special on our hands.

It’s almost as if the advent of more powerful weapons caused them to become more reclusive and less predatory. What is one of the best practices that Paulides has often recommends for those wishing to avoid becoming one of the missing? Always carry a firearm. There’s a good chance that firearms turned the ‘Cannibal Demon’ into something that peeks around trees, wood knocks, and throws rocks unseen. They still predate upon the unwary or helpless, but it’s no longer open season on man...and their behavior has changed accordingly.

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A giant red flag for me. I own a oilfield house in eastern Montana, so I was aware. The northern Cheyenne reservation is in eastern Montana. Not western Wyoming.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cheyenne_Indian_Reservation The eastern Shoshone (Snake) and northern Arapaho have a reservation close to the Wind river mountains. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_Indian_Reservation So why would northern Cheyenne kids be hunting in the Wind river mountains a long ways from home? Very seldom do Indian tribes give reciprocity to non native Indians. One kid is 18 and one is 14. This happened within 2 miles of a pickup truck. Most of the wind river mountains are roadless wilderness areas and not on the reservation anyhow. So Shoshone and Arapaho kids would not have access to the wind river mountains to hunt either. Certainly not Gannett Peak which was mentioned..... Anyhow its a cool story. But its a story.