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Bud, your selling the same message DWA was 10 years ago. The mountain of evidence would finally break down the barriers and scientists would finally see the light..... problem is? It’s never happened. It’s not about quantity it’s about quality. Quality here means physical evidence. Secondly? Never mind the woo crowd. Your never going to divorce yourself from the Rick Dyer and Tom Biscardi crowd. So long as people are out there with fake stompers and hairy suits? It’s all horse manure to science. You know how many new species are discovered? The bush meat trade. Or a hunter or bushman leading some under grad by the hand out into the jungle and points out a new species. So that some gray bearded fellow in Boston can name it..... that’s how it works. Even after discovery the Bush man is still looked down upon. Doesn’t matter.... We are on our own. My advice is to you? Don’t worry about what others are doing. Just stick with what you can do within your own limitations. We NEED physical evidence. That should be our main focus. If you are an archeologist? Find some caves in the Olympic NP, pull the necessary permits and perform a dig. This is an angle few are pursuing. Heck I bet the BFF would try and drum up some cash for such an endeavor! There is no way, no possible way that there are not bones to be found in some cave somewhere!

Just a general statement I’m not singling anyone out. We all want answers. We disagree about how to get them. No one is right or wrong. Just stick with your gut and it will lead you to your strengths. If we all keep chipping away. Maybe there will be a break through. It may even come from left field.

LOL! That certainly wouldn't have been out of character for Dahinden. But no, he simply shouted him down and loudly protested as he went up to give his speech.

As far as population goes, other than the Sasquatch prints I found in the late 70s, I had numerous encounters at my parents house throughout the late 70s, the 80s and into the early 90s and then nothing. I hunted in 3 areas that were separated by several miles (5 to 10) throughout the early 90s and had numerous encounters and then nothing. This was all in Polk and Lincoln counties of Oregon. The only other ones I had later was in the High Cascades in around 2005 and in Polk county around 2009. I think that the numbers declined in my area dramatically in the 90's. I think they were way more numerous pre 80s than they are now. I have seen no evidence of them in those 3 hunting areas and my parents house since probably 1993 or maybe a year or two later.

Precisely. Which is why most Bigfoot researchers until very recently wouldn't touch Eastern Bigfoot reports with a 40 ft pole.

It would be kinda like switching frogs before the water starts to boil I mean, would it be possible that enough people could have a chance to get the upper hand on this thing? That's certainly what I've been promoting. But, of course, it would take people, not just one.

Eye on the prize...always.

I plan to do so with my Fish & Wildlife officials here in Tennessee. Ohio has all but admitted the existence of Sasquatch. As has the Oklahoma State legislature and Skamania County Washington. If more and more state and local agencies continue to do so, then the feds will be forced to give up the charade of secrecy.

Didn't understand the downvote. I actually like that approach. Thinking of ways in which agencies would have to defend their mostly unknown positions on the subject isn't a bad tactic at all. That's why I had hoped Claudia Ackley's case in San Bernardino would have somehow been able to stay on track. I've seen nothing on that for over three years now.

I have personally held war "trophies" in my hands. Their sheer numbers boggle the mind.

Thanks you two, much appreciated. I was thinking of getting a dashcam in case something does appear, perhaps something affordable.

There is also the SSR here at BFF to search which would be extraordinarely helpful. You can search using any number of criteria. I believe you need to be a premium member to access it but it's worth every penny. BFRO also has sightings which can be accessed. Here is Minnesota by county: https://www.bfro.net/GDB/state_listing.asp?state=mn

Here's an Excel file from John Green's Database reduced to just Minnesota up to the year 2000. Counties are in alphabetical order. Double click on any box to expand the data such as a witness account or any other info. Good Luck and have fun, Marty! John Green Database- Minnesota Up to Year 2000.xlsx

Backpacking into a location forces us to make decisions about what is most important. Northwind recently mentioned you have a water filter so that eliminates the volume and weight of fluids you need to carry. When I do an overnight, I never devote space in my pack to cooking. I'll bring a protein bar, trail mix, an apple or two, and the like. I would reserve the space and weight for your FLIR, any sound recorder or player, lights (if you use them as an attractant), and protection. Do you have an idea that you will use to attract a sasquatch? Last year, as far as you and Northwind having a little bit of luck, the sage words of Samuel Goldwyn (MGM)..."The harder I work, the luckier I get" and Thomas Edison..."Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." come to mind. You two have earned the good events that have come your way. Kindly, never lose sight of that.

Sometimes you need a bit of luck to give skill a chance, other times you need skill to give luck a chance. They're not mutually exclusive. The only advice I'd offer anyone is to be the bait ... be interesting rather than trying to be sneaky. The first most of us can manage, the latter .. we'd be fooling ourselves. Whatever happens or doesn't, enjoy the camping. It's a great excuse to eat the stuff we're not supposed to have at home. MIB

I think we're just about ready to try some overnight research trips. I want the forest creatures to know we are there - and the bears and cougars to leave and the bigfoots to come in closer and possibly interact. Whatever technique i use will have to be small and portable, so that puts some limits on options. Our FLIR encounter with two last July was luck... but with previous sightings by friends in the area. The second possible sighting was accidental. We just both happened to be in the same place, looking at each other over a river. The possible one in a tree in a photo possibly followed us back to our truck, where we joked around and ate lunch. All these events were random luck... but in good locations with a history of activity, with appropriate technology and knowledge of their capabilities and rumored behaviors. The usual requirements of food and water sources and forest cover to hide in are essential, too.

I don't know the crowd you go sasquatching with but no one I know would be willing to go to the efforts you've outline above. Myself included. If you have people lined up to do so, that's fantastic and it would probably be very interesting and a lot of fun. I must confess that I am woefully ignorant about LIDAR, how it works, and what it reveals. I remember Expedition BF and how they used LIDAR to show 'trails" in the woods. Whose to say that a sasquatch plants itself near a game trail rather than near a pond or water source? Why would a game trail produce any better results than access to water? Having said that, game trails merging near a water source would be of interest. I guess I'm more of a boots-on-the-ground investigator seeing what's happening in the field than I am a collaborator of digital information to prognosticate behavior and location. We should focus on our specific talents and interest and leave the rest to others.

Tranquilizing a BF is a pipe dream. We're hard pressed to even see one.

Not true. Ask any Biologist. If killing one is that detrimental? The species is going extinct anyhow. And better to document it to science than to let it slip away quietly. And there is no such thing as “clear undeniable footage” concerning Bigfoot. We have beat that horse to death. Tranquilizing one would be great if we were scientists. We are not. You may be successful. But you may also either kill it with too large of dose or be killed by too small of dose. There are no guidelines for tranquilizing a Bigfoot. And I don’t work at a zoo and do this daily.... So my suggestion is, if you really want to stay with non lethal methods is buy the tranq gun but buy biopsy darts with it. You shoot the dart, the dart collects a dna sample and then hopefully the dart falls out or the creature pulls it out and you can then retrieve it after it’s left the area. It would be smart to have lethal back up while attempting a biopsy dart.

Im gonna appeal to the stomach primarily. But I may download a few Sas vocals. A little morbid but maybe even try a baby crying. Which actually a dying rabbit call is close.

I actually have quite a bit of Bigfoot/Sasquatch related figurines and such. Taken about a decade to amass this collection. Not everything is pictured. Have a while bunch of digital books. Have some physical books too (used to have more, but sold a lot, thinking of selling the rest). And there's a few other things that are sitting in a box in the laundry room because I don't have space for them right now. Part 1... Part 2. While I love it all, the last statue pictured is probably my prized piece...

Of my 5 tents, I normally choose one depending on elevation in the mountains and number of kids or grandkids I am dragging along, but easily my favorite single tent is my quite old Sierra Designs Hyperlight AST. It is a 2-person tent that I use only as a 1-person. Its light weight, at just over 3 pounds with groundcover, poles, rain fly, and stakes, and the Jake's Corner to accomodate my height, do the trick for me.

Well it has to be the memory of the sighting which unfortunately with every year that passes, fades just a little although i don't think it will ever fade enough for me to not recollect in decent detail (fingers crossed). Other than that, i'd say my Patty cast, i've got the cripple foot casts too but the Patty cast is the one for me..;) I'm actually of the opinion that the best are on their way though in the future..;)

I've got a PG Film site cast signed by Bob, I show that one off a lot. I've also got a decent cast collection, the red,blue,yellow John Green books, and a bunch of other hard to find books, but my prized possession is probably a squatch stick i got from Glenn Adkins. Its signed by a bunch of researchers and all of my friends ive hit the woods with over the years. I never use that one, it just travels with me and collects memories.

Finally finished my parabolic setup. A few years ago, we heard what sounded like high pitched pseudo-speech/samurai chatter near some caves on the side of a mountain in north Georgia. Our action cam mics couldn't pic it up, so all we were left with so the video of our reactions, some possible small human-like footprints, and our memories... My goal then became to have the ability to not miss such sounds in the future...if we are lucky enough to hear them again. I picked up the Zoom H4N Pro a year or so ago and recently picked up the soft case...which I attach to my pack and leave running while we are out. With the parabolic setup, the soft case will stay on the Zoom to offer it a degree of protection. Velcro flaps offer easy access to the necessary plugs and switches. Power consumption was already an issue with the built in microphones, so with the attached XLR microphone for the parabolic dish needing 48 volt phantom power, I am running a 32000 mah power bank made by RAVpower. I use these power banks to recharge cameras, digital recorders, flashlights, etc. while in the field and have been very pleased with them so far. I currently have 3 larger banks and one smaller one available to use. The ABS parabolic dish itself is 11.5 inches wide and .030 thick. I chose the black option as opposed to the clear polycarbonate since we plan on painting the dish itself. Honestly, price played a part in my decision to go with the lower cost black dish, as I already felt bad shelling out $200 for a piece of curved plastic and some connectors. Weight is negligible, with the total weight without microphone coming in at under 7 ounces. I have not yet weighed the entire setup, but considering that I was already carrying most of this...I am not worried about extra weight. I went with the Pro Mini, since I will be carrying this in a pack along with the rest of my gear. Down the road I may see about getting a larger dish if I believe that I can carry it without the wider dish becoming awkward or cumbersome. The handle base has metal 1/4-20 threads, which I have used to connect a Gorillapod. This particular Gorillapod will be replaced soon, as it does not have the necessary strength to hold the dish to the degree that I would feel comfortable if I wish to set the dish up stationary. I picked up a Wildtronics brand Micro Mic XLR to go with this dish. It is a low noise, high sensitivity, omnidirectional microphone with a noise floor of 14dBA. As I gain familiarity with this setup, I will try different mics to see which suits my needs the best. I picked up a pair of Sony noise cancelling headphones and a hard case to carry them. I will be testing the setup this weekend when I am out doing a preliminary investigation of some activity north of me that a fellow forum member was kind enough to refer to me. I will report back on how it functions and what sort of recordings I am able to obtain. Pro Mini Parabolic Kit Wildtronics LLC | Pro Mini Parabolic Kit Micro Mic XLR Wildtronics LLC | Micro Mic XLR Microphone Zoom H4N Pro Amazon.com: Zoom H4n Pro 4-Track Portable Recorder, Stereo Microphones, 2 XLR/ ¼“ Combo Inputs, Guitar Inputs, Battery Powered, for Stereo/Multitrack Recording of Music, Audio for Video, and Podcasting: Musical Instruments RAVpower 32000mah power bank RAVPower RAVPower Ace 32,000mAh Portable Charger RP-PB064 B&H (bhphotovideo.com) Protective Case of the Zoom H4N Pro Amazon.com: JJC H4n Protective Carrying Storage Pouch Case Bag for Zoom H4n Pro All Black & Tascam DR-40 Handy Portable Recorder replaces Zoom PCH-4n Case, with Clear Visible Front Face Cover Protector: Musical Instruments

I would do that. In fact, I'd take the shot if I had permits to do so from both the USFWS and the state Fish and Wildlife agency. Moreover, I think a permit application should be submitted to USFWS and wildlife management agencies of the states of Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, and Alaska just to get the ball rolling. Their denials need to be dealt with legally. It's long overdue. "Science" refuses to accept it without a piece of one, so they can't refuse the attempt to get it without explanation.

Been saying that for years now. Even presented the "Some how some way"......way. No takers. If folks won't, or can't, broach the subject with their local officials then a government level focus becomes virtually a non-starter. Or follow the usual pattern of waiting for someone else to do it. Daniel Perez? Peter Byrne? Dr. Meldrum? Any suggestions on the "somehow" part? Anyone?