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Sorry, can't unsee what was seen. If that wasn't two bigfoots in the woods on the FLUR, then it was two NFL linebackers playing quietly out in the woods at 11pm in the middle of nowhere. "Let's make a monster to keep our children from straying too far from the dwelling. Giants are scary, so we'll make it a giant. Animals such as apes can be scary so let's make it an ape" - I could see that. Except the Native American peoples who had those legends far into their pasts had never seen an ape, since they don't exist here. And they didn't have access to the legends of other peoples in different parts of the world to poach from.

No, but it is on the verge of exposing yet another discipline of "science" that is failing within the realm of this phenomenon; psychology. That would be a fun discussion, too, since psychology is failing so completely in so many other ways, too.........

You just made his point....

Also, with others pointing out the proving a negative thingy, it's not on me to prove they aren't there, it's yours to prove they are, if you're just trolling, that is.

Unicorns have nothing to do with the OP, and frankly, it looks like you are attempting to do nothing other than derail a perfectly fine thread out of apparent dislike for the OP.

I find the mechanism of a witness trying to fit the creature into something within the known natural world through some kind of mental gymnastics- and failing- far, far more interesting.

Hello. I have spent quite a lot of time in the Trinity alps wilderness and the Sierra mountains. I have camped there my entire life. Having had some unexplained things happen while in the mountains has led to a life long interest in Bigfoot.

How did he misquote your response? You said "There's a deeper level to it with Bigfoot, there's folklore, both Native American, early American...", implying that Bigfoot is singular in its place in folklore. He pointed out that there were other creatures with similar volumes of folklore pertaining to them. As far as abuse of influence goes... how is he abusing anything? By disagreeing with you? You are vocal in your disagreement and displeasure with almost every topic that comes up here. Is it abuse when you do it?

Howdy....thanks Madison, hope you are well:) It's double-print day, first two are smaller teenfoot type prints with 2 tracks, one on the other, and the third pic is a coming/going cougar print (I think?), it was fairly large, so might possibly be a Jaguar.....they are back in Texas, and I have seen one fairly close a few years back, dats a big kitty!

Greetings, I recently finished reading John Green's Sasquatch the Apes Among Us, and was particularly intrigued by a vague account he mentioned that very few researchers seem to have taken notice of. He mentioned interviewing an old woman in Montana during the late 1960s who grew up in a family of cattle ranchers. According to the interview the old woman mentioned how when she was a young child everyone knew not to leave their cattle at higher elevation during the spring or they would be eaten by the hairy giants who lived in the mountains. Although the account provided by Mr. Green was somewhat vague, it would seem that the settlers in Montana cattle country during the late 19th and early 20th centuries had at least some local knowledge and more concerning Sasquatch-like creatures indigenous to the area. If this is the case, then there are likely some very old reports or at the very least oral stories from the region going back well over a century ago. I would be interested to find these old accounts. And if the old woman's story was true, and it should be noted Mr. Green had no reason to doubt her truthfulness, then I would be interested to find out if there was some sort of conflict between early western cattle ranchers and Bigfoot. It would seem plausible since the account mentioned predation by Bigfoot on cattle. And a similar scenario resulted in conflict with brown bears and wolves leading to their extirpation in the region.

Your OP posits: The point of your question applies to unicorns, extraterrestrial visitors, ghosts, and any other scientifically unproven phenomena. Moreover, psychology itself is a science, so as a worshipper at its altar, you should be able to conduct a little study and answer that question, no? Isn't it entirely possible to believe in the existence of Bigfoot, based upon the evidence (thusly, acceptance based upon the evidence), and NOT believe in the existence of unicorns, extraterrestrial visitors, or ghosts? As a disciple of psychology ("science"), what would be the psychology that would explain that?

Without getting political, that is in theory, in the US, elsewhere that drastically varies. But back to topic.

According to John Green's database, a number of the reports there came from a young man (at the time) by the name of Greg Mastel. He was only about 12 back in 1976, so he may still be alive. Apparently he had a relationship with F&W and other such authorities and collected Montana-specific bigfoot reports. If you could track him down, he might know John Green's source. It appears he may have gone into politics so he might not be that hard to find. Here is a link to an article that featured him: Greg Mastel

Yes.

When I started turkey hunting on a cattle farm, the cattle would come from a long ways off just to stand and stare at me and my decoy spread. I could not get them to leave. I went to my truck to eat lunch. When I came back the cattle had totally destroyed my decoys and my make shift blind. I don't know if they would have done that if my decoys were Sasquatch decoys though.

Let's make a monster to keep our children from straying too far from the dwelling. Giants are scary, so we'll make it a giant. Animals such as apes can be scary so let's make it an ape. What is more scary than a super giant ape? One that is also part human, like the boogie man. How do we finish it? Make it a night dweller. Now you have a super scary monster that if seen, could alter your life forever! It's the perfect monster that is larger and scarier than all get out, but, not so big as to be seen a lot, so you have the fear of the unknown. Is it there, hiding in the bushes? Behind a tree? I can see why some would invent a creature similar to a Sasquatch. I can also see why a Sasquatch would, could, and more than likely does exist. I just wish I could find someone to take this unicorn tattoo my ex-wife talked me into getting during a drunken night at a party of my arm.

To the OP: Prove to me unicorns don't exist. Or let me show you the dragon in my garage.

I think this guy claims to have spoken with Smeja. Is there a way to verify if that is true? https://youtu.be/vEN4F2m62Hk

If you have time get out into the BWCA. It’s a beautiful place and is the most wild place in the Midwest. If Sasquatch exist and exist in MN that’s the most likely place for them to be. It’s also where I had my only strange encounter.

Lovin' the soft dirt from the rains!

I'm finally getting back to some hiking, but doing by myself now, miss my Lulu:) Had some good rain Friday & Saturday, and found these great prints....rare to find double prints, senior & junior, so close together, very cool, plus I found this weird skull nearby in a tree that wasn't there on Thursday. Guess that's a goat, never seen any of those running around out here.

You guys are amazing about the lose of dear Lulu, yes we will meet again....my daughter says we have a new guardian angel with big huge teeth, lol, I like that one:)

Doing well, really appreciate you guys! Went hiking a few times alone this last week, guess that's the new plan, my other 'dogs' are just getting a bit too old and not looking to get any more....getting too old myself, lol. Found a nice fresh print & trackway, a Collared lizard catching the spring rays. and had to laugh at this one.......one of the peanut butter containers from a few years ago, ha.

There's no unicorn or dragon folklore? Thousands and thousands of years worth. The inability to disprove mythical animals leaves the logic of this thread wanting.

Next week in eastern WA, maybe Igor's documentary will be previewed to U.S. audiences? It says only the trailer will be shown but why would they do that if it is already on YouTube? [see post above for the trailer] This is a "psychic sasquatch" type of event so the talk will likely cover different ground than he may cover at other conferences. The image at the lower right of the flyer seems to possibly resemble the Greg image with Rastafarian dreadlocks from a different angle.

As long as we have an available channel to René, maybe John W. Green is accessible as well. I'll find out and add this to the list of questions for John on the next episode.

A forum is open ground for exchanging ideas. It's only construed as trolling to you when you don't like what is being said about your faulty logic adding up to presumptions,. Your content is remarkably faulty BTW not just a little bit. You claimed to be an academic, even with plans for a dig (I forget the location, possibly WA state). And you want to get in touch with a deceased woman's relatives so you can (? maybe) further investigate a passing reference to some location being known for some interaction with BF and cattle. And you further elaborate on what you think BF would think of the scenario. Similar to your presumption that Justin Smeja could not have shot a second BF on the scene because you didn't believe a second BF would allow it to happen. (of course, not realizing the 2nd BF was the equivalent age of a child) Let me sum up my point and I'll hop off this: a real academic of any background, even math or English or whatever, who is interested in BF (of which there are very few) would approach the problem much differently. You demonstrate no awareness whatsoever of the background you claim to have to study anything. And you toss out presumptions left and right.

There's a deeper level to it with Bigfoot, there's folklore, both Native American, early American, and thats only been further complicated by the internet, and resulting copycatism. It may be a bitch to prove a negative, but all the BS white noise out there is doing nothing to bring about any hope of discovery either. It only deepens the rabbit whole.