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LOL! Not exactly. I am busy preparing myself to move out of state for an Archaeology PhD Program that I have been admitted into. Consequently, I have not had much time to post. But never fear! Fall Break is right around the corner! And the forum's favorite flesh and blood advocate will be back in full force!

Hearty congrats, WB. That puts you in league with our resident almost-anthropologist.

The proverbial chicken-or-the-egg question is one we all have to deal with. Can we lure them in or do they arrive only on their terms? I honestly don't know but part of the fun of being out in the field is guessing. My latest attempt will be to try to make the campsite impossible to ignore. It's hard to believe (for me), as I tend to be a traditionalist, but I'm actually considering using a FRED emergency device. In a way, it feels awkward (even cheesy) but if it catches the eye of a curious sasquatch, maybe it can produce. The FRED emergency device was designed for those who break down on the road. It is a warning device that sends out red strobe, or circling, lights designed to alert oncoming cars . You can't miss it. My hopes are it attracts the attention of a sasquatch across one of the ponds I frequent. Maybe it decides to come in a bit closer to investigate knowing humans are over across the pond and it is safe on their side. The thermal should be able to capture its movements. I'll give it a try and report back.

Maybe knot tying is elementary to some experienced outdoorsmen here, but I'm still learning. So, Dan from Coalcracker Bushcraft, shows three great knots. One can never have too much knowledge of things that might help you in the woods. Enjoy!

@Wooly BoogerHave you shapeshifted into a MonkeMan??

I'm not, I'm not sure why you think I am. Well the fact that they had clothes and the existence of fossilized feet seem to heavily suggest both of those things. They wouldn't lose technology or intelligence to this extent unless both of those traits became somehow less beneficial, which I don't see happening. It just seems like a huge leap in logic. Possibly, but it sufferssimilar issues that Neanderthalis does as a possible candidate. Well yes, because we're both Anthropologists or at least well versed in the relevant literature. So we know that Paranthropus or Australopithicines are the most likely candidates based on anatomical evidence that does exist. And I read through that mess of a thread, you are right, OOA is very much a settled issue in Anthropology and I'm not sure why they think a 12 million year old semi-bipedal Ape in germany disproves that.

Please, don't oversimplify it. If we are to suggest that Bigfoot evolved from a extinct hominid then we have to look at the evidence in a relative sense. Moreover, while both of our candidates lack the associated height that is usually reported in sightings my theory doesn't have the burden to explain why it has re-evolved certain basal characteristics like an extremely hairy body or a mid tarsal break and lower intelligence. Furthermore I have suggested that that there is an actual selection history that can explain how an Australopithecus could evolve a larger body size, namely high predation rates. Which I'd imagine a 4ft, 100lb primate living in a sparsely wooded area would succumb to and it is a far more parsimonious explanation than bergman's principle or allen's rule ( which you used incorrectly by the way!).

Not sure how true this may be. But it does sound like the real thing to me. I feel real good about this. The Gov knows what these creatures are and they have always known. This might be why the scientist do not want to bother looking for these creature. Here is what i am posting:https://youtu.be/7Ji77Dkestk

Not me. This is the best planet I know of. But it would be much nicer if seven billion other people got on that rocket with you and left.

Agreed. There is absolutely no evidence of sasquatches with manufactured tools or art. So previous peer reviewed science was incorrect, no? Imagine that. But now it's all fixed. That's reassurring. While I'm not one to assign a Neanderthal origin to sasquatches, your point on competing with both bears and homo sapiens is extremely important. It seems clear that they did not fare well against either. Their densities appear low even in aboriginal tradition. I suspect that in comparison to black bears, sasquatch reproduction rate is terribly slow, and their more solitary social structure places them at a disadvantage against homo sapiens. This extremely low density of existence in an acidic rainforest environment destroys any fossils in short order that aren't left in a rare dry spot in a cave. Even footprints don't survive long in heavy rainfall. Rainforests also limit visibility outside human rights-of-way to a few mere yards or less.

91 with 1 ton running gear 37” Toyos Its fun!

@norseman Most of the day as I sat in the doctors office. I have been thinking about your flat foot and the big toes. I cannot help and think why these toes would be so big on the right and on the left foot. So then i started looking at my own two bare feet. My own two bare feet are flat footed. So I started looking at my large toes on each foot and yes they are both large. So then i started to reason why they were so much bigger then the rest of the toes on both feet. So I started to pay attention on the way that I walk. Now I am no Bigfoot obviously. I only weigh 210 lbs and am 5' 11" tall with a 10 " foot size. Flat footed on both. But my weight is distributed on the inside of my foot due to my flat feet. So this has created my larger toes to be much larger then other people since I am using that toe as my push off. Now i was not always flat footed. So when i pushed of with my foot I used all my foot toes and just that particular larger toe's. So is it possible that these Neanderthals may have had the same problem. The same may be with these creatures the as well. That their wright is not fully distributed through out the foot as they step? This why we might see some tracks that are not fully formed on certain substance of soils. I am just thinking out loud. Maybe it does not make sense at all.

Way to go, Wooly Booger! I assume that archeology has specialties similar to other disciplines? You want to get into caves and do some BF research so is this potential PhD only a cover or your more...uh...ulterior (interior) interests? One would think you could be a valuable asset to spelunkers, too, which may get you into more caves than you could shake a stick (or tree knock) at. You have a background in Egyptology also if memory serves me well.

Well, best of luck with it. Go easy and enjoy the journey, your alter ego has you covered here:)

It means someone with the beautiful fatness in all the right places....like Patty (hubba, hubba!)

It is my duty to find Sasquatch and clap its cheeks.

I absolutely agree! I think as a community we should prioritize the ways to actually finding a Sasquatch, but to me the reason Neandertal locomotion a nd how it relates to Sasquatch is an important discussion because this kind of inquiry can refine our field methodology. But you are correct that to a degree only inquiry gets us literally nowhere and at some point we have to actually find out the direct way.

BlackRockBigfoot, I have to admit, you're a real straight shooter. Gave you a plus for that one, my friend. Gotta go back and revisit Norseman, he needs a couple as well

Lol. "Is English your second language? I was making fun of your sophomoric attempt..." Who said anything about shapeshifting here? Between this post and that weird post earlier (thicc?), I think that Kiwakwe is on to something here. Anyway, carry on toeing the line with personal insults. This will be a self-correcting issue. I gotcha. It just struck me as odd since it was the second time something like that was brought up. I am not suggesting that Sasquatch does or doesn't have FOXP2. It would be a wild guess to hazard an opinion either way. You are right, the Samurai Chatter is odd...if it is actually Sasquatch, why hasn't it ever been duplicated? Recording technology has gotten better, cheaper, and more widely available. But, we don't have anything approximating the Sierra Sounds since Morehead recorded it. It's another odd thing in a field of odd things.

Agreed. But you cant put the cart in front of the horse. As Ive said all along? I don't want to kill it. Its simply what science requires to get the ball rolling. One and done. Except your explanation of why you dont believe the Ostman story can easily be applied to the whole subject of Bigfoot? So if you have never seen Bigfoot? How do you pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe? And I never intended for this discussion to PROVE the existence of Bigfoot. Its simply discussing similarities between archaic extinct species in the genus Homo and Purported traits of Sasquatch. Thats it.

What does this have to do with the conversation at hand? There were complaints earlier about 'shape shifting sorcery' that didn't really flow with the rest of the thread. Kind of an odd thing to bring into a spirited discussion about Neanderthal locomotion. A key 2002 paper found that humans carry two mutations to FOXP2 not found in any other primates3. When the researchers looked at genetic variation surrounding these mutations, they found the signature of a ‘selective sweep’ — in which a beneficial mutation quickly becomes common across a population. This change to FOXP2 seemed to have happened in the past 200,000 years, the team reported in Nature. The paper has been cited hundreds of times in the scientific literature. The idea that uniquely human changes to FOXP2 led to language development has not gone unchallenged. One study found that Neanderthals carried the same mutations4. This suggested that the modifications to FOXP2 happened before the two groups split, more than half a million years ago. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05859-7

Obviously animals dont talk. And evidently neither did Erectus……🤣🤣🤣 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19149203/ I’ll rephrase my statement. What other species besides Sapiens had a functional hyoid bone and used the Foxp2 gene for speech? Neanderthals….

The legend holds that when a shapeshifter is called by his true name-- WoolyBooger--he dies shortly thereafter. I know you are skeert But there is time, you can repent. No longer need you dwell among the blinded dead who wander aimless, confined, knocking into walls they've built by narrowmindedness. Seek the light of PURE science, let it dispel the evil that the simulacrum has woven round you.

Now that's an interesting note. All of the prints that I think are not human that we have found have an exceptionally large and robust big toe. An interesting addition to the discussion of clothing. BBC - Earth - We did not invent clothes simply to stay warm One neat comment - "That technology really helped out humans, they could very quickly go into new habitats," he says. "So rather than having to evolve the ability to live there, you can simply create better clothing." and While modern humans had more sophisticated tools and clothes, Neanderthals were not the dumb brutes once depicted, and there is no reason to believe they were generally less sophisticated than us. They may simply not have needed to cover up completely, and when eventually they did, their technology failed them.

I do. That's why I know you're wrong. You on the other hand can't even be bothered to read my citations and instead get angry at me simply disagreeing with you. Since you want to be immature and call into question the amount of rigor I place in my research I'll humor you and play this stupid little game of yours. For whatever reason I am able to view the article on mobile and I traced the original study. Needless to say it does not buttress your claims in the slightest. Not once does it imply that Neanderthals have flat feet. They suggest the plantar vault is less pronounced but that is not the same thing and you can clearly see by the very same footprints that they display arches. Moreover it has been shown that Neandertals had nearly identical feet to modern humans since the 80's. I suggest actually reading the literature regarding this because your assertions are simply false. Though I doubt you'll even do that and I instead suspect that you will probably hand wave my claims with more fallacious reasoning. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83413-8#Sec13 https://sci-hub.do/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047248420300373 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6409716/ Stop. You're conflating your ignorance of the field with "cherry- picked anthro-babble" and if more people tried looking at the evidence in a scientific light instead of positing Aliens, Interdimensional beings, Shapeshifting sorcery or whatever other crap then it probably would be taken more seriously by the "establishment". But no, you want to act like we're epistemologically impotent simply because the subject of our curiosity is an unknown organism.

I deleted the off topic posts. Please do not hijack the thread. Thanks

Lol. Bad theory? I love how everyone has figured out this mystery creature that no one can prove exists. Norse identified some Neanderthal traits that sound very similar to those reported to be found with Sasquatch. How is that a ‘bad theory’? Ok. Y’all lay some more cherry-picked anthro-babble on us. Only peer reviewed information on Sasquatch, please. No assumptions or hypotheses…about this undiscovered creature that the scientific establishment pretty much universally finds foolish.

In the interest of clarity, I have no qualms with those who want to put one down respectfully. I also understand that my hands-off approach is likely not the norm. I'm not a hunter and couldn't kill anything unless it attacked me. With that said, hunting is needed and hunters provide a valuable service to the continued existence of a species. I applaud them. A sasquatch is special to me, as it likely is to all of us. I think they are very close to us genetically and also think they are near human. I could be way off the mark, only to find they are close to being an animal, but I doubt that's the case. For those who hunt to bring one on the slab, in the furtherance of science, I only ask it be done respectfully. The thought of high fives and the "I'm-the-one-the-whole-world-will-want-to-speak-with" goal saddens me. It's either one of God's magnificent creatures, in very small numbers, or a cousin of ours. In either case, its death is to be mourned not celebrated.

I haven't seen many finding bigfoot episodes and have never heard matt Moneymaker speak openly about his objections to paranormal subjects. He just rejects it out of hand.

If cattiness were a requisite for being an anthropologist, you'd have exceeded.

Thanks for posting. Raincoast Sasquatch is one of my favourite contemporary BF books. Truly fascinating part of the world it's set in.

Crazy weather we have been having, lots of rain and more this week. Creeks are roaring, and still having some 80+ degree days....very unusual for July in Texas. Not hiking as much due to the rain, the Sotol plants are loving the water, they are plump and my hairy friends are having their fill.

It seems many people are set that these creatures are apes of some kind. I am not necessarily of that belief, and am open to the idea that they may be more human than we realize. Until more evidence comes in, who knows?

As for the boost in size, figure they were also encountering progressively larger megafauna as they moved north, not only prey species but predators as well. And who's to say they weren't hybridizing with other hominids along the way, perhaps gaining in stature without losing the stocky basic framework. Like MIB states, evolution often occurs in jumps (or bottlenecks) and few contexts could better press for more size than and ever colder environment filled with ever bigger predators!

Quite so! But if it is an animal, then it should behave like an animal! And yet they have the characteristics of beings with abstract thinking! Avoiding game cams! Appearing to know what cams do! Seeming to know who placed them there Know that these pieces of equipment are there to document them! And they do not want such a thing. Why? I mean, there is more going here then just a 'camera sh'y animal! Wow! There are some humans not smart or aware enough to entertain those ideas! No matter which way you cut it! This is not your average creature! Dare I say, it might be time to soon drop the "It is just an animal!", train of thought!??

When I was younger I could hear a great many things most people didn't. Things like escalators. I could walk into the mall and point the direction to every one in the building. They made a horrible high-pitched screech. And the blue light from KMart. I could hear that light from the parking lot when I opened the car door. Completely impossible to go inside if that light was on. The sound was so loud it was like ice picks in my ears. Maybe they hear things we don't. 17x7

As usual, you are correct. Very few animals can see in the IR spectrum. Mainly snakes, fish, amphibs, and a few insects. Very small number. I doubt it is IR if BF is based on earth-bound evolution. One of my shepherds has a fear of our home stereo. All I have to do is turn it on and somehow he senses it and runs from the room. I have tested him with it a couple of times and have yet to figure out how he knows it is being turned on. Not sure if he senses the EM or maybe hears the circuits warm up but he notices something that we cannot as soon as it turns on. He can be lying down with eyes closed and he will notice and bolt.

Playing tapes of children playing ..yikes I remember posting that a good bait is to buy a life like looking child doll and place a recorder with it of a child crying .

As soon as I saw this depiction of a Denisovan it reminded me of the drawings by a man who had an encounter in 2013 on Route 109, the highway between Aberdeen, WA and Ocean Shores, WA, . He slowed down because a deer ran across the road in front of him and he knew another might be right behind it. Instead, a Sasquatch came out of the forest, crossed the road in three strides, then paused on the berm and looked at the driver. It is BFRO report number 42448. When he got to his home in Ocean Shores he made the following drawings. The sun was behind the subject and allowed him to see the actual shape of the head through the hair.

I agree . Well said .The added benefit is may help steer youngsters away from social media and into the great outdoors. It certainly helps me get my granddaughter to go on hikes with me.

LMAO you're joking right? The hyoid bone and FoxP2 genes are causal as far as vocalizations occur and they are the only requirement to produce something like the sierra sounds. Yes they did, their capacity for speech was just not as developed as later hominins, which is expected. Australopithecus, Erectus, and most other mammals. Speech is not a a binary trait. It exists on a spectrum. Furthermore, genes don't work like that. They are not sufficient causal forces for the expression of phenotypes.

The footprints in France show the beings had a less gracile foot compared with our delicate tootsies. They also featured a less pronounced plantar vault — meaning they had flat feet. This fits with what we know about Neanderthal foot structure compared with ours. 20 seconds of googling. https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-french-neanderthals-had-lots-of-kids-fossil-footprints-show-1.7817591 Enjoy your time on the forum, fellow Bigfoot enthusiast!

I posted this when I found it last year. Meldrum supports your position on Paranthropus being the origin species. You may find his video helpful.

Im going to stop spoon feeding you now like a baby. You can either start researching things on your own or not. Either way I don't care. Good luck.

I'm sorry but it requires more than 20 seconds of googling to actually understand comparative morphology of archaic hominins. I'm sure that shocks you. That's a pop-science article, not the actual study which I already demonstrated does not reflect the assertions of said article. Do you want me to quote them? . Furthermore, don't just ignore every other piece of evidence I've laid forth either. Do I need to actually show you the pictures of a neanderthal footprint vs homo sapiens one? Because they are extremely similar and neither are flat at all.

Neanderthal Human Bigfoot

Yes and those 30% tend to have complications with running and walking. Hence, why even if we didn't have the myriad of fossils and footprints showcasing the arch of the Neandertal foot it would still be a ridiculous assertion to begin with. It's extremely detrimental to the way Neandertal man, Homo saiens, Erectus, and Heidelbergensis would hunt. Still waiting.

Indeed, Neandertals had symbolic cave art, ornamentation, clothing, complex structures, bone flutes, medicine, seafaring technology, birch tar wax they used as glue and they even had their own unique way of creating tools. If they had the same Neural architecture as Modern humans they'd be no doubt even more intelligent in the sense of pure computational power. The idea that Neandertals were apish brutes with flat feet, bow legged posture, and low intelligence is an inaccurate stereotype that was first postulated in the 50's and it wasn't until the 80's that this association was challenged in any meaningful way. Now we are realizing how morphologically modern they actually were. And this is my biggest issue with the Neandertal origin hypothesis. They would have had to lose all of that complex culture, grow 2-3ft, regain enormous amounts of hair, lose most of their brain size and intelligence, and adopt a niche that was already filled by black bears!

LOL Australopithecus and Homo Erectus had a hyoid bone and most mammals in general have the FoxP2 gene. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16844-x https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25078953/