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Like I write, it's a matter of which scientists discuss it, and which scientists ignore it. The key now is identifying why it is so completely ignored by the scientists who count the most; those responsible for the management of our collective natural resources. Sasquatches being primates does not require their biologic structure to exactly match that of other primates, nor do North American predators negate the potential existence of these creatures. I cannot accept your claim that "a black bear would easily kill a Sasquatch", and certainly can't accept your reasoning for such a statement based upon your conjecture on the panniculus carnosus of a creature which has not yet been physically examined. I have extensive personal experience with black bears and their potential prey. Black bears here in Alaska almost never prey in adult anythings here larger than themselves including caribou and moose. Injured, sick, and calf ungulates (or sasquatches)? You bet. Even cub bears? No doubt. Cow caribou? If they can catch one (doubtful, especially since they inhabit different environments). Cow moose? No way, Dude, especially if she's in knee deep water. She'll enthusiastically kill that bear. This is well established science. I've seen these things myself. Mature black bear boars are dangerous predators. I've been tested by one myself. That bear is lucky I didn't kill him. I should have. But he wasn't after me. He wanted my dog. I can see a boar black bear taki g an unprotected sasquatch youth, but not a healthy, mature sasquatch weighing 400-800 lbs. Sorry. Ain't happening. And those reasons are exactly what I pointed out above; age, injury, and illness. Leopards will prey on female and young gorillas, but will think twice about attacking a healthy, mature silverback. Don't make me dig up references. If I do, I'll be unhappy. I'm getting busy around here. I strongly agree with you that sasquatches are physically, mentally, and intellectually overestimated. Their physical strength in particular tends to be wildly overestimated. But I'm quite certain that they're very strong physically, but if a 225 grain Swift A-Frame in 338 WinMag @ 2850 fps was used on one, it would work just as well as it would on a 1200 lb coastal brown bear. I have personally seen a boar grizzly bear suddenly turn, bolt, and run like Hell as if Satan himself just popped up in front of him. But it wasn't Satan. It was me. The bear caught my scent, and took off like he was on fire. In fact, I've seen that more than once. The first time was one of my most memorable wilderness experiences. And a good number of scientists disagree with you. I like this particular quote from one of the rare few who actually studied the film and documented his analysis (Dr. D.W. Grieve, an anatomist with expertise in human biomechanics at the University of London Royal Free Medical School: http://www.bigfoot-lives.com/html/report_on_the_film_of_a_suppos.html

I haven't seen many finding bigfoot episodes and have never heard matt Moneymaker speak openly about his objections to paranormal subjects. He just rejects it out of hand.

This is precisely the issue I have with camera traps. They capture all kinds of elusive and scarce animals such as really rare Wolverines but no clear photos of sasquatch. I know we have blurry images, obscure images and part images but no clear full height image like we have with so many other animals. They do seem to be seen with regularity by hunters who use camera traps so there's a bit of a disconnect there for me. My other issue is that the excuses or reasons behind this do seem contradictory, in that Sasquatch won't come near a camera trap as it emits a slight sound but will happily waltz up to a noisy camp site full of people and watch from the bushes or the smell of plastic keeps them away from a camera trap but they'll happily visit a cabin or a car or a tent which have much more smell to them. It just doesn't quite add up to me, something is off. I'm sceptical but firmly of the belief that Sasquatch is possible if not probable but this is a real big hurdle for a sceptic. I don't ascribe any unnatural characteristics to the sasquatch so don't buy into them having other worldly powers, inter dimensional etc. that some explain this away with.

That works both ways; many sasquatch sightings could be misidentified as bear sightings, specially since so many in science work so feverishly to discount the very existence of sasquatches. Who could blame somebody for doing so, believing that since sasquatches don't exist, that must be a huge, funny looking bear walking on two legs. Now, I must admit that's the first time I've read that claim despite over 20 years on this forum reading all kinds of claims from all manner of experts. Would you call that a scientific claim? On what would you base such a claim? I'm still waiting for most of official science to admit anything on this evidence.

I agree with both of you. Not a bear. Not clear enough. And if it is a hoax I don't think he's part of it. All I can think of is I wish the camera had been 20 feet farther back so we had more of whatever it is in the frame for examination. MIB

I've seen that before . Is it a hoax on him? someone messing with him ? It's not clear enough but I also don't believe he's in on it if it is a hoax .

This is definitely not a bear. Is it a hoax? Fred Eichler is a straight up hunter with lots of wildlife hunting videos. I definitely don’t think he is in on it. Brave to be walking around the woods in a fur suit during Bow bear season.

I've never seen a good trail cam pic where you can say yeah that's a bigfoot. Maybe they are out there but people keep them secret as a couple of members here have said they would never share any proof to the public ? I think you're right on them being extremely rare because it's the Only thing that makes any sense on how you can't catch them on a trail cam. If all the reports were accurate of them going into camps , sightings on the sides of roads , researchers who think they are interacting with them they would be getting caught on trail cams . That's just common sense . I think most people are mistaken when they think they are interacting with them . Call it having Bigfoot on the mind. I know that's probably not a popular opinion here either . I guess it comes down to two million acre forest and having only a handful of them there . Chance of you being able to have the trail cam in the right place at the right time is nearly impossible . I don't believe they sense danger from them they just happen not to walk past them.

WOW!!!

But so does Bigfoot! We have supposed Bigfoot on trail cameras. We have pictures and film of supposed Bigfoot as well. Nothing is infallible…. Not catching them often could be a whole host of reasons. Intelligence or being forest wise could be a factor. But I think much more importantly? It’s an extremely rare creature. More rare than a Grizzly bear in the lower 48. This is a unpopular opinion. But I’m on a roll so there it is.

That would mean that Bigfoot memorized every tree in their territory. I find that hard to believe as well. That also means BF do not leave their territory or else they could pass a cam in a foreign territory. what about a Bigfoot coming up from behind the tree with a cam on it and then cutting left or right crossing the camera path? There are a lot of scenarios where a BF could come across a camera and either not know it or it was to late and it was caught on the camera. What about people that describe gifting? People claim to leave gifts and return them back in return. Do you discount those events because BF would avoid a foreign objects in the woods?

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Hello everyone!! Glad to be here. I’ve always been intrigued about Bigfoot. I finally have the time in my life to explore something I’m interested in. I’m excited to read and look at what everyone has to say on here and it’s nice to meet everyone.

I’ve read those reports and I can get behind an animal noticing a camera or being startled but specifically to understand what they are, I can’t get behind that.

The idea of them knowing what a camera does is something I cannot get on board with. Not in any way, shape, or form. I find it too far out there to believe they could understand the technology behind a camera.

Don't bother responding to MonkeMan until Sunday night... he's on vacation

This is the reason it's all a guess . Fact is they have been reported walking under high voltage power lines to travel where there are many plastic parts used in transformers and high voltage power lines produce noise but they are fine with that but a small plastic box tied to a tree they think of it as danger ..sorry but that sounds like bull to me

Good solid standard V8. Had one in a '74 3/4 ton PU back when you could sit in the engine well to do work. Went home for lunch one cold Autumn day and back out for four more hours. Got home and heard a "meow" and lifted the hood only to find one of my cats had evidently gotten inside next to the radiator for warmth. It was so terrified when I started the engine and went back to work that it stayed where it was until I got back home and heard it cry out. I reached in to rescued her and it was like picking up a small bowling ball. All her muscles were locked up tight. Lucky she didn't panic and end up in a belt which is what happens to some.

check here: https://bigfootforums.com/forum/26-conferences-symposiums-other-get-togethers/ If it is not listed there, then… @Arvediswill probably know

Hearty congrats, WB. That puts you in league with our resident almost-anthropologist.

LOL! Not exactly. I am busy preparing myself to move out of state for an Archaeology PhD Program that I have been admitted into. Consequently, I have not had much time to post. But never fear! Fall Break is right around the corner! And the forum's favorite flesh and blood advocate will be back in full force!

I completely disagree. The fact that Thals and Sasquatch share similar locomotion morphology as we learn more about Thals? Lends credibility to the topic of Sasquatch. Ostman observed them in the thirties and told his story in the 50’s! Long before we would know anything substantial about Thals. When modern publications start describing reported Sasquatch like traits in other fossilized Homo species? I find that very interesting!

LOL if I could shape shift I'd turn into a rocket and leave this planet. I was watching some documentary about UFO's and Bigfoot and there was one point in the show when some man turned to a crowd of people and said something along the lines as "Bigfoot if you are here show us a sign of your presence!". of course nothing happened but the narrator showed the security footage and highlighted a white moth flying around and claimed that bigfoot had shape shifted into it as a way of showing he was there. Needless to say I about died of a brain aneurysm right there.

So far, what are our possible explanations as to how they can sense and avoid ir cams: 1) They can see the ir illumination. However, apes (and mammals in general) cannot see in the ir range due to their body heat. 2) They can smell either the cameras or batteries. Primates, however, have a less developed sense of smell as a trade off to heightened Visio and sense of touch. 3) They can hear the camera itself. However again, primates hear in the same range as humans…maybe slightly higher on some cases. 4) They are so in tune with their immediate environment that they can instantly recognize something out of the ordinary and instinctively avoid it. This seems to run counter to the claims that these creatures are exceedingly inquisitive and curious. They can’t resist checking out humans at a campfire, but know to avoid the small box on a tree? That curiosity would eventually result in one with exceptionally poor decision making skills being captured peeking at the strange new box on a tree… 5) They can sense the emf emissions from the camera. There has been some discussion over whether deer can sense the electromagnetism given off by hunters. I am looking to see if any claims of this emf detection has been documented in monkeys or other primates, but haven’t seen anything so far. Camera traps are kind of in the same category as road crossings for me. These things need to maintain a 100% success rate…year after year. It seems impossible, but they do. This doesn’t sound like an ape to me. But, if it is closer to man with man’s intelligence… then where is the tool use? The fire use? There isn’t one ‘rebel’ that makes an attempt to break the taboo and communicate with the hairless ones? At this point you are talking about a creature that has a wide array of super senses (far beyond what any other creature on earth possesses), intelligence somewhat equal to a man but without man’s tool use, and an almost hive mind that allows these intelligent beings to remain in complete lockstep 100% of the time concerning their interaction with humans. Couple this with the physical gifts that they possess...strength, speed, agility, stealth. And now throw in the proposed ability to use emf in ways that the rest of animal kingdom lacks… We are dealing with something so far outside of what the rest of the animal kingdom is capable of, that it’s a surprise that these things didn’t just predate early man into extinction. We are missing something major here. None of this makes sense.

There was an ancient aliens episode with some British author who tried to make the case for denisovans being the mystery culture that built the Egyptian pyramids or maybe the sphinx too. Point is fringe theorists consider anything that can't be disproven to be fair game to use any way that a fringe theorist wants. I'm not seeing neanderthal as a Sasquatch either even if i had a great reason to make a theory fit, it doesn't work.

You leave pavement at Clarkia Idaho. It was dark when we got there. The road is gravel but it’s good road. It’s the main haul road for the loggers. It had been oiled. But it was strewn with brackets and tools and everything under the sun that would rattle off a log truck or a crummie. We stopped for a pee break 16 miles in and always do a walk around. I found out my front axle is 13/16 lug nuts and my rear axle is 3/4.... problem. My lug wrench didn’t fit rear axle. So in the morn I drove out and got a spare rim and tire, and a 1/2 drive socket set. Once we had her back on her feet, we decided discretion was the better part of valor and turned around and went back to St. Maries. And got the original replaced there. We put in the St. Joe river to kill some time. The boat traffic was unreal on the south end of lake Coeur d Alene. Yesterday we fished the Pend Oreille river and slayed a bunch of small mouth bass. We will try the expedition again but only after I put new rubber all the way around the boat trailer.😬

The problem I have with smell is that wind direction should vary enough that sometimes they'd be upwind of the camera and stumble in front of one. If it is sound, then somewhere that wind or water masks the sound should lead to pictures. If it is sight, the supposition is they walk about as fast as we run, so to see as much or more than we do, they'd have to process visual input that much faster .. think how much we miss seeing when we're running 12-15 mph. Nothing truly makes sense .. every theory has what seems to be a fatal flaw. Yet SOMEHOW they seem to avoid having their picture taken most, nearly all, of the time. I think your final point is one I can agree with .. a mystery indeed!

This is a good question. I am of mixed mind. Based on personal observation, there is something "funny" about bigfoot vision. Seeing into infared would account for those observations. The problem, though, is that trail camera triggers do not use projected infared. The only time a camera produces anything infared that could be seen is when the IR flash goes off and the picture is being taken. The only way that could alert a bigfoot to the presence of the camera is if bigfoot happened to see the camera flash when it takes a picture of something else. I do not think seeing infared accounts for them avoiding trail cameras, not by seeing anything the trail camera is producing anyway. I have another notion. In the way of an experiment, I set up two trail cameras facing each other, one inert, the other active, then triggered the active camera to take a picture which I observed. The inert trail camera was not camouflaged under the IR flash, it was a solid color rectangular box. If bigfoot is truly seeing cameras and avoiding them, then it might be because though the cameras are camouflaged to us humans, they are out of place solid color boxes to bigfoot eyes. If that is the case, then we need to completely hide the camera within some natural material so that the plastic is not visible. I don't have any cameras out right now, but when I do, I cover them with tree bark, burlap, leaves, or the like, and I attach them to trees with black wood screws and thin black wire rather than wide straight straps which are eyecatching. Hmmm .. one of my friends has one of those rock cams .. a trail camera built into an artificial rock. I'll ask him if he has a regular IR trail camera and if so if he could take a picture of his rock under IR with that camera to see if it is hidden or stands out in some way. MIB

You do realize that having a flat foot makes sprinting more difficult right? https://www.academia.edu/24451706/Effect_of_flat_foot_on_the_running_ability_of_an_athlete https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5895915/

The fact that science admits when it's wrong and improves itself is it's biggest strength in my opinion. This would probably be good as it's own thread, but honestly it's one of the stronger counterpoints against advocates. The fact that Black bear population density overlaps with sighting and, the fact that they both occupy the same niche heavily implies that a lot of sightings could be simple misidentiifcation. It could likewise explain why they are so rare (if they exist) because of things like the competitive exclusion principle. And honestly a black bear would easily kill a Sasquatch.

I've wondered that as well. Like who? I wasn't aware Sasquatch was even a relevant discussion among scientists. Well multiple reasons. Predators tend to have a thick panniculus carnosus which is essentially a thick subcutaneous tissue that allows skin to shift around which is why cats have a scruff and bears can withstand attacks from members of its own species. Assuming Bigfoot is a primate it would have less of this tissue and probably have tight fitting skin meaning it would have poor "slash resistance". There's a reason leopards prey on fully grown silver back gorillas. Moreover, while Bigfoot is often sited as being incredibly strong, I think many people overestimate its strength because if it has similar muscle fiber proportions to a chimpanzee then deducing its strength is only a matter of scaling at that point. Meaning Sasquatch could probably only bench a couple thousand pounds, realistically speaking. Not to say that that is weak just less strong than a lot of people on here would probably assume. I've heard some people say that they've seen bears get scared of Sasquatch and run, but I doubt that simply because what the hell does a scared apex predator even look like? How would they know? A lot of scientists wouldn't even consider that to be real. I doubt its legitimacy as well.

In humans…. Thals flat feet was only one of MANY traits that made a full package. I would have LOVED to have had a 5’6” 220 lbs Thal as a full back on my football team!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human Im starting to doubt your credentials.

Neandertals are humans. Neandertals didn’t have flat feet. Still waiting.

Anything with "Homo" as it's genus is considered Human by anthropologists.

Probably because they don't think the "evidence" is conclusive. This is a puzzling statement. As Sasquatch enthusiasts every time we theorize on Sasquatch we are speculating or conjecturing about her phenotype. Moreover the assertions I've made are not just pulled out of thin air, they are backed by pretty sound reasoning. We have more of a reason to believe Sasquatch would be like other Anthropoids than the opposite. LOL I'm not saying that Black bears go out of their way to kill Squatches but if it ever came down to it and a Black bear would probably win. NO need, I have plenty. I can believe it as black bears have run from me before. I'm aware, but that doesn't really mean anything.